• Master
    31 Dec 2016, 12:40 p.m.

    Fellow IWC enthusiasts, firstly allow me to apologize for the typo in the title above. It's meant to read;

    A Timepiece that NO ONE thought to be an IWC - Timeless Beauty

    After I posted the post around the Gubelin entitled

    When something is not what it seems.....but a whole lot more!

    ( www.iwc.com/forum/en/discussion/72903/?page=1#post_570453 )

    I decided that this one here regarding the IWC Turler, needs to be reposted - especially as my good friend Tilo had not seen it.

    Enjoy the read, or the re-read if you have seen it before.

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    From time to time watches are put up for sale on the internet, where even if the acronym of IWC is used in the descriptor, the watch does not attract the interest of potential buyers.

    This is often the case, when things do "not quiet look quite right" and buyers are concerned that they are buying fakes, marriages or often simply non IWC watches where someone put an IWC logo on the dial to try and sell it.

    This was also the case with this very odd looking pocket watch, which was advertised as being an IWC.

    This is how it was depicted on the for sale advertisement.

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    Now, we all know what IWC Pocket watches are meant to look like - and it's NOT LIKE THIS.

    Everything seemed wrong here....

    • The case and overall design was far to modern in appearance - almost art-deco style.
    • It had a central seconds hand - something typically only reserved and realised by IWC on a very limited number of highly accurate purpose build military timepieces like Deck and Pilot Watches
    • Yet, the case was both too decorative and too small IMHO, to be a military time piece
    • At what seemed to be around +/- 40mm outside diameter, with a dial size of around 30mm it seemed more like a marriage/conversion of a wrist watch movement, into a pocket watch.

    However, this piece intrigued me.

    • The movement seemed to be genuine IWC but from the serial number that was visible on the original post, did not check out
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    • The caseback was clearly marked :

    • STAYBRITE STEEL - and IWC had used this trademark stamping on some of it's watches.
    • with the IWC Probus Scafusia logo

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    We had seen IWC watches bearing the Swiss jeweler Türler logo before - but this dial which was in a strange golden color, bore above the Türler logo, the older (pre 1940's) IWC logo

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    I decided to secure the watch - having convinced myself, that this was a rare and genuine IWC find. No sooner than I bought it, and shared some photos with fellow collectors. They were all pretty much aligned in their thinking here - that it was a "marriage of sorts" and/or a complete fake.

    Thanks to a fellow IWC collector, I arranged for the watch to be collected personally (after I had paid). The "arrangements" the seller made to hand over the watch (on a street corner in a very busy city) - also raised some doubts here.

    On receipt of the watch a few weeks later - I rushed it over to my watchmaker and it from our observations it became clear that the case was of a very high manufacture quality - this was not something knocked together to sell a small wrist watch. The movement was most definitely genuine IWC and the serial number I had thought it to carry, was incorrectly read by me. The serial number on the movement itself as well as the case were clearly legible and I was able to photo document them and send up to Dr. Seyffer curator of the IWC Museum in Schaffhausen.

    His research and findings turned out that my gut feeling had been correct. This is a quote "unique and rare" timepiece, sold in July of 1941 by IWC to Türler. The watch was produced as a Lepiné Pocket watch and further check of the records show that the Case is a “Mod. No 7” and was designed for a Cal. 61.

    The movement a 10 ligne designated C.61 S.C. was manufactured by IWC during the period 1938 to 1942 and in total only 7,800 were produced. It is a beauty to behold.

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    I have had it fully restored, including having laser filled that ugly notch that someone had filed into the case back, to allow for easier opening. Today it makes a proud statement within my collection.

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  • Connoisseur
    31 Dec 2016, 2:22 p.m.

    Nice find Mark, congratulations!

    Sometimes you see small pocket watches with center seconds (I have seen Omega and Royal) and in those cases I guess it is built with a wristwatch movement. In those cases I am certain that they were made like that, they are not marriages.

    Best regards and Happy New Year!

    Henrik

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 3:24 p.m.

    Great story Mark and I can totally understand that you liked the design!!

    Kind regards,

    Bob

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 5:11 p.m.

    The Master detective strikes once more. I will be very interested to see this in real life. Great post and lesson for us all.

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 5:23 p.m.

    Fantastic find and it's great that you can trust your feelings.
    This just shows what can be done when you know your subject and can act when the time is right.
    Well done Mark :o)

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 5:29 p.m.

    Thanks for an interesting post about another IWC "mystery" deciphered. I have a great deal of admiration for your persistence in finding the origins of these rare pieces...it is an education for us all. Happy New Year, Mark

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 6:05 p.m.

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    Sometimes "strange" IWC pw's show up.
    This one has been shown on the forum before.
    It is a calibre 95 from the 1970ies.
    It has a white golden case made in filigrain pattern and a dial made from mother-of-pearl. It was exclusively manufactured for the Japanese market and it is the only example that I have seen.
    Kind Regards,
    Adrian,
    (alwaysiwc).

  • Connoisseur
    31 Dec 2016, 9:07 p.m.

    Congratulations Mark - good on you for following your hunch! As Mark F said, you know your subject matter and were able to act on it and you've been justly rewarded too.

    It came up beautifully as well; I really admire your approach to collecting and saving.

    Happy New Year to you too. :-)

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 9:17 p.m.

    The hunting down and the verification of older watches is a great skill and so rewarding
    You seem to have the knack
    Congratulations and a pleasure to read your post

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 10:14 p.m.

    Ivan, wonderful to see your responce (read: active here) and much appreciated.

  • Master
    31 Dec 2016, 11:28 p.m.

    Thanks, much appreciated.

  • Connoisseur
    1 Jan 2017, 8:35 a.m.

    Well done and congratulations! I'm sure that for many years to come you'll enjoy a feeling of great satisfaction every time you look at that beauty!

  • Connoisseur
    1 Jan 2017, 1:18 p.m.

    Congratulations Mark ! Really appreciate your persistence and dedication.

    Regards,

    Vishal.

  • 1 Jan 2017, 4:01 p.m.

    Great post, really enjoyed reading it! Congrats to this special find.

    Happy New Year!

    Cheers Chris

  • Master
    1 Jan 2017, 6:38 p.m.

    Another IWC saved from obscurity; thank you, Mark!

    Nelson

  • Master
    1 Jan 2017, 7:09 p.m.

    Congrats Mark!!!

    Again proven that you've got an outstanding nose to locate and excavate obscure "IWC truffle"... Great read.

    /Anders

  • Master
    2 Jan 2017, 4:58 p.m.

    You proved once again to have a knack to find unusual/rare vintage IWC and to bring them back to life. Well done.

  • Master
    18 Aug 2018, 11:46 a.m.

    Thank you Mark for repostng this great story. I somehow missed this original post and am happy to see it now.
    As others stated before, you're the master detective when it comes to historic pieces and save as many as you can to a your IWC pocket watch museum and to a heritage conserving group in and around this forum.
    Maybe one day not so far away I can add another story to honour YOU my dear friend, how you help and enable to conserve IWC's outstanding heritage to people that love and value it!
    Thank you Mark my dear friend!