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An Extraordinarily Rare Pocket Watch

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  • last reply by bdinnerv 24 Feb 2013
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    Michael Friedberg
    Moderator 11468 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 4:45 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 4:45 p.m.
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    As I mentioned a week ago, I seldom buy IWC pocket watches today, since I look almost exclusively for pre-1900 models, and ones that I don't have seldom appear. This one was one lucky find, and I really had no idea what I had found.

    I was out of town when someone wrote me about an IWC pocket watch. It looked extraordinarily ordinary from the dial side, although the dial was in good condition:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/352dca7df261acb74298c91397e074db_zpsef97f782.jpg
    But one clue were the Roman numerals --that us usually means the watch is pre-1900, since after that Arabics were more popular.

    The case also wasn't anything special. It was almost black with tarnish, but after much careful polishing it looks like this:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/96be9196e95f6f5c6caa27aac584ba79_zpsdb574617.jpg

    Opening it up revealed the movement --and I could tell right away it was a so-called Elgin I from the mid-1880s. The seller thought its low number, 681, meant it was the 681th watch produced by IWC, but I explained it was from the second numbering, when IWC started over.
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    I couldn't tell what the calibre was, since I was out of town and couldn't hit the books.I knew it wasn't a Calibre 33, which I already own and show on my pocket watch site at www.iwcpocketwatch.com/elgin.html. So I just bought it.

    I then wrote the real experts, Ralph Ehrismann and David Seyffer. Ralph told me:

    "This is an ultra rare c.34. Elgin I with hidden winding wheels (à bascule).
    I think there are just few known (less than 10, now one more) all with numbers below 700." He later wrote me that "There are now 6 known of this caliber." He believes there were only about 200-400 of the calibre built in total. All known ones have only three chatoned-jewels, and none on the center wheel.

    David Seyffer gave me more information, with the understated comment that he's seen "only a very few in my life." He wrote me:

    "I guess the movement with the number 681 was made in August, September 1884. As you guessed, the records are missing and so I can’t tell you the correct date.

    "There were the four different types of Elgin I:

    Cal. winding Type Name

    32 á vue open face Elgin I

    33 á vue Hunter Elgin I

    34 á base open face Elgin I

    35 á base Hunter Elgin I

    "A base, means that the wheels of the winding mechanism are hidden.

    "As far as I understood or interpret the sales records retailers could choose if they want e.g. a jeweled centre wheel or not. Therefore there are movements with or without

    "A really beautiful watch. Would be a nice thing to share with the others in the forum. Probably we could start one more time a “Elgin” discussion ."


    It is, certainly to me, a beautiful watch, with beauty on the inside. The movement is nickle-plated, and with interesting stripes. But to me the knock-your-socks-off part is the hand-engraved balance cock. Here's a close-up:

    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/afb9d479b9326096e212f8d45269a0db_zps059ee444.jpg

    I'm one lucky guy.

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    Skule Smørgrav
    Master 1348 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 4:49 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 4:49 p.m.
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    Very cool Michael, big Congrats!

    I couldn't see all your pictures though?

    You are right, I just love that last picture of the balance cock!

    Edit - now I can see all the pictures - very nice indeed!

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    Bill B.
    Master 6724 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 4:53 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 4:53 p.m.
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    Wow. We learn so much from each other. Congratulations on another coup.

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    Rave
    Master 3148 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 5:12 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 5:12 p.m.
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    Fascinating post. Congratulations on this remarkable discovery.

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    Mr. Kevin J. Devine
    Master 2227 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 5:20 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 5:20 p.m.
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    Great story, thanks for sharing. Congratulations.

    Kevin

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    Roman Belov
    Master 839 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 5:25 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 5:25 p.m.
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    Congratulations!! Increadible to hear the story like this one!

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 5:45 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 5:45 p.m.
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    Congratulations on an extraordinary find. It's not luck, it is serendipity.

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    Greg Chalk
    Master 2077 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 5:47 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 5:47 p.m.
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    Another CF Help model and another rare piece. Great purchase Michael.

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    dzul
    Master 3985 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 6:25 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 6:25 p.m.
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    Congratulations on a beauty, Michael! Not only am I pleased with a rare find for your collection...but we always learn something when you post about what you purchased! Thank you!

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    Mr. Ralph Ehrismann
    Master 1423 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 6:32 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 6:32 p.m.
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    Hi Michael,

    Congratulation for this extraordinary find

    but,

    I told you, it's in the wrong collection. ;-)

    Have fun with this great watch.

    Ralph

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    roberto muraglia
    Master 2108 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 6:36 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 6:36 p.m.
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    Congratulations Michael, the watch is amazing.

    When and if you can/want, would you post a picture of the dial?

    I'd love to see that beauty closer :)

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    Marian42
    Master 1011 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 7:31 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 7:31 p.m.
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    Wow, the lucky guy you are :o) But on the other hand to whom else should the watch like this come? Big congratulations, Michael!

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 7:43 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 7:43 p.m.
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    What a great post for the 2nd numbering of your posts - 9999!

    ...and what a great add to your collection MF!

    Extremely pleased for you Michael. It's a beautiful example of all that is and was good that comes out of Schaffhausen and it takes its rightful place in your amazing Pocket Watch Collection.

    Enjoy - Enjoy.

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    Mr. Alan Ross
    Master 5742 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 8:55 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 8:55 p.m.
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    Well congrats on a unique find and now you have a bunch more pocket watches to collect in order to fill Box #4.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 10:01 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 10:01 p.m.
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    great find MF. I like this caliber a lot. And in good condition too.

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    Cinq
    Master 5431 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 10:15 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 10:15 p.m.
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    Congratulations on this great find and thanks for sharing the story here with us.

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

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    Tango Victor
    Master 1942 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 10:24 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 10:24 p.m.
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    michael, a captivating post... congratulations on the wonderfully rare find!

    regards,
    thang

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    Mr. T Clifford Hudgins
    Master 525 posts
    23 Feb 2013, 11:13 p.m. 23 Feb 2013, 11:13 p.m.
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    Very nice, thanks for sharing.

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    Shing
    Master 2998 posts
    24 Feb 2013, 3:06 a.m. 24 Feb 2013, 3:06 a.m.
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    congrats Michael. You set the example I very much want to follow - diligent hunting and prodding. Patience and diligence comes rewarded. big congrats.

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    Giovanni Ambrogio
    Master 963 posts
    24 Feb 2013, 1:19 p.m. 24 Feb 2013, 1:19 p.m.
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    Great find, congratulations Michael. And thanks for the education - very interesting for me to learn again a bit of IWC history

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    Werner Rosier
    Connoisseur 301 posts
    24 Feb 2013, 2:56 p.m. 24 Feb 2013, 2:56 p.m.
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    A nice addition to your collection, Michael, indeed, a nice watch to anyone´s collection ;-)
    Looking at the movement it can be said that it was aimed straight at the American market, decorating the bridges with all sorts of stripes was very popular at the time in the USA.

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    Best Regards

    Jimmy

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    24 Feb 2013, 7:59 p.m. 24 Feb 2013, 7:59 p.m.
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    Great find, great story and fantastic addition Michael!

    Best regards,

    Bob

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    Mr. Ben Dinnerville
    Master 670 posts
    24 Feb 2013, 10:03 p.m. 24 Feb 2013, 10:03 p.m.
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    Congrats on a great find Michael - the finishing around the balance cock is beautiful, the kind of work that is great to see and one of the reasons mechanical watches will always have aplace in this world.

    Cheers,

    Ben

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