• Apprentice
    2 Feb 2019, 4:26 p.m.

    hi
    all I have this pocket watch that has the IWC patent number on the movement .
    It's a silver case dated 1914 I believe . Was wondering if anyone has any
    information they could share on it. Regards, David Young

  • Connoisseur
    2 Feb 2019, 7:45 p.m.

    Hi David,

    this is a standard to sub-standard IWC pocket watch, sold from IWC to Stauffer
    & Co and from there via Goldsmiths & Silversmiths to the British Government as
    simple service watch.

    More info needs info on case and mvmt No.

    Regards Thomas

  • Master
    2 Feb 2019, 8:18 p.m.

    Hello David,

    The pocket watches made by IWC for WW I were predominantly manufactured for
    the American Corps of Engineers and issued by Ulysse Nardin.

    However the British army used Swiss pocket watches of several Swiss brands,
    but not in large numbers. In the reference book of Konrad Knirim a similar
    watch (but made by Omega) is depicted. The broad arrow was applied in many
    different ways on the dial and/or case back.

    You have a cal. 57 of 1913/'14. It might have been in service for the
    British.The patent number with Swiss cross was usual for different IWC
    calibres at that time. The dial looks very 'fresh' to me. Usually the dials
    were loaded wih radium containing paint as luminescent material, highly
    radioactive. If this is the original dial, the lume has been removed without
    any dammage, which on turn is unusual.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Apprentice
    4 Feb 2019, 3:55 p.m.

    Hi Thomas and Adria,

    Thank your for the reply,

    The dial does look like it has ner had lume, so I am unsure 100% on the dial,
    but its all seems to fit correctly but I do agree with you.

    Ive had a mass of military pocket watch before and Im quite up on military
    watches. What interested me was the Borgel silver case and IWC movement.

    I suppose I was wondering if these have been seen before beacuse for me its
    completely new. Sub standard for an IWC movement but quite a rare find I
    thought.

    Case back is 670796 , Borel stamped silver case dated 1914 I believe , +55231
    on movement , +31457, and serial 580464 , S&co Peerless

    Thank you for the help,

    Regards, David

  • Apprentice
    4 Feb 2019, 4:21 p.m.

    It was common practice back then for many makers pocket watch movements to be
    sold with case work from others.

  • Connoisseur
    9 Feb 2019, 4:47 p.m.

    IWC at this time made no cases, but bougth them in. The serial is an IWC case
    serial and correct.

    IWC in WW I did not sell many watches to the British Armed Forces, especially
    not sub-standard. Thad had to do with a shortage of foreign currency, so that
    English makes like Williamson were preferred.

    But there have been chronometer watches (C.W.) for the Royal Navy and
    chronometer rated RA watches supplied to the Royal Arsenal in Woolwich.

    Regards

    Th. Koenig