• 26 May 2014, 10:29 p.m.

    Oh, how I wish Isobars were here now! As only some of you old-timers will remember Isobars was one of this forum's most active members during its first five or so years. He constantly, sometimes daily, raised the subject of 24 hour dials. Every watch would be better if it only had a true 24 hour dial. You can even find drawings of proposed 24 hour watches in honor of Isobars in the archives.

    As many of you know, a 24-hour dial watch is not one with both 12 hour and 24 hour indications on the same dial. When the hour hand points to 7, with a small 19 below that, that's really a 12-hour watch with additional notation. When it's evening, the reader doesn't have to think to realize that the time is actually 1900 hours.

    A real 24 hour dial watch only has 24 hour dial notation on the dial. That means that the movement has to be altered so that the hour hand doesn't go in 360 degrees around the dial in 12 hours, but rather in 24 hours. The hour hand, in my example, would only show 1900 hours. You'd know for sure that it was early evening.

    Now Isobars would have argued that this is more logical and more precise, just as the metric system is more efficient than the silly measurement system of miles and yards and feet we have in the U.S. He probably is right --but it does crowd the dial, and also it's more difficult for most people to adjust.

    Still, those watches have a place in horological history. And the movement is different by being modified. Conventional 12 hour watches have a "motion work" involving a 12 to 1 reduction in the gear train from the minute hand. 24 hour watches have a different gearing, with a 24 to 1 reduction. To be very technical, "the motion work is the small 12-to-1 (or here a 24-to-1) reduction gear train that turns the timepiece's hour hand from the minute hand. It is attached to the going train by the friction coupling of the cannon pinion, so the minute and hour hands can be turned independently to set the timepiece. It is often located on the outside of the movement's front plate, just under the dial."

    The first time I learned that IWC made one was in its Museum, where they show this piece:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/bf2ab231-57e4-4b2d-b97c-b4b56d06825c_zpsa2209c1a.jpg

    I've never seen another one, and I've seen now a lot of IWC pocket watches.

    That is, until a good friend and forum member wrote me about a month ago. He pointed out that there was such a watch up for auction in London. It looked like this, but unlike the Museum's example only had black hour digits:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/24dialFront_zps87c2ddfe.jpg

    The movement didn't look a lot different than a "normal" Calibre 53 --actually the watch is from the early 1890s and back then it was called the "International Calibre":
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/24dialMvt_zpsc6e4cf82.jpgBut technically it shouldn't look different --it's on the dial side that the motion work modification is made!

    Now, as many of you know I have a lot of old IWC pocket watches. Too many, in fact. So I try to limit them now to only unique examples produced before 1900. I figured that might stop me buying too many --but not this time. The watch is unique (only the second one I've seen) and is pre-1900. Only thing was that I had to vet the watch. I found out from IWC that the case and movement numbers were correct and in their archives, in fact with the rare notation that the watch had a 24 hour dial! It was for real.

    My friendly enabler then took a Sunday off, and went to London for me. He sent me dozens of photos of the watch; even some movies. He couldn't have been more helpful in getting me to bid!

    Actually, while I have an account at the auction house, another good UK friend stepped in. An international purchase can be cumbersome, and he too had an account there. He'd be happy to bid on my behalf --and so I gave him my bid. And --voila!-- at the high end of my range the hammer fell in favor of my friend's bid on my behalf.

    Now I have to take possession of the watch, and a third forum friend is helping there.

    Thanks a lot guys, and how I wish Isobars would check this one out!

  • Master
    26 May 2014, 11:24 p.m.

    That's what the forum is about, sharing, helping and enabling. Sharing the love, helping to spread the love and enabling the purchase to those who have the passion.

  • Master
    26 May 2014, 11:47 p.m.

    Congratulations. Is your also a Half Chronometer? This one is from 1895 with
    cal 52

  • 26 May 2014, 11:51 p.m.

    Hi Clepsydra,

    Yes, It's also engraved "half chronometre" --but I always thought of that as marketing. In all events, I now know of three! One in yellow gold, one in rose gold and one Lépine in steel.

  • Master
    26 May 2014, 11:56 p.m.

    It is silver.

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 12:12 a.m.

    Well...Every watch is better with a 24 h dial!

    Congratulations Michael on adding a rare and superb example to your PW collection. Very exciting indeed! I hope you plan on using this with great regularity and enjoying the benefits of 24 h time keeping.

    BTW: Well said :-)

    Looking forward to additional photos!

    Warmest 24 h regards,

    Isobars.

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 4:58 a.m.

    Congratulations MF, a beautiful looking unique watch and a great story to boot!

    I also have a bit of a fondness for 24hr dials and still have a wristwatch (from another brand) with a 24hr dial high on my hit list.

    Cheers,

    Ben

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 7:38 a.m.

    I have sympathies with Isobar's view that 24 hour dials are the way to go. No hour hand should have to make more than one revolution per day. A great catch, Michael. Congratulations.

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 2:28 p.m.

    Hi. Longtimenosee. :-) It is good to know that you are still lurking in the background. Is there hope for a comeback, now that there are two 24 hour watches in the forum?

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 2:36 p.m.

    MF, well landed - other than in Isobars pocket, I could not think of a more fitting place for the watch to find a new home at!

    Isobars, like Antony I too reflect on how good it is that your back here. With our without you 24 hour watch motivational talks - we miss you.

  • Insider
    27 May 2014, 8 p.m.

    Congratulation for finding these beauties.
    The movements bridges look the same as the bridges of the "symple" Cal. 52 and 53 and the "secret" is under the dial. Regarding the fact that the minute hand takes 360 degrees in one hour just as in case of the 12-hour dials and the difference can be found in the running of the hour hand, the technical solution should be at the transmitter wheel("changer wheel")which makes connection between the "hour wheel" (holder of the hour hand) and the "center pinion". I would really love to see a picture of it.

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 8:18 p.m.

    A fabulous find and acquisition. Hope I can see in in the wild someday. I saw two in the IWC Museum several years ago. Poor quality pictures, unfortunately.

    i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/wbarker75/2%20Schaffhausen%202007/DSC_0247_zps79f1acff.jpg

    i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/wbarker75/2%20Schaffhausen%202007/DSC_0246_zpsdc1bec4a.jpg

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 8:30 p.m.

    Michael,
    Looks like you are now well into your fourth storage box of pocket watches.

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 10:10 p.m.

    A great explanation by MF about the construction of a watch with 24 hours dial.
    Now we see 2 in one thread. Congratulations to the owners.
    Antonio, the addition " half chronometer" has virtually no value. There is not an accepted definition how accurate a half chronometer should be. It is by far not meeting the standards as were set by the classic chronometer institutes such as Kew, Neuchâtel or Geneva.
    Kind regards,
    Adrian,
    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    27 May 2014, 11:16 p.m.

    Charming sorry Michael and I am so delighted for you in your acquisition of this rare watch. That's friends here are helping out is so much the spirit of this great forum.

  • Master
    1 Jun 2014, 8:58 a.m.

    How many of these were produced?
    Was it only one production run with consecutive serial numbers?

  • Master
    1 Jun 2014, 7:49 p.m.

    Hello Michael

    Contgratulation to this fabulous watch!

    I always wonder, why the really interesting watches pop up inf michals desk and not on mine ;-)

    Kind regards

    Ralph

  • Master
    1 Jun 2014, 8:53 p.m.

    Hi Ralph,
    Pardon me, but you should be not that "sad".
    I have seen IWC pocket watches from your collection which are unique or almost unique on the planet. And those were only the pieces that you brought to the collectors meetings in Schaffhausen. Who knows what you have more at home. It would be great if you would allow the Forumers to know about these ultra rare PW's. They are part of IWC's history, but few collectors will never know about them, if the few experts will not reveal them.
    Just think about it(=:
    Grüssen,
    Adrian,
    (alwaysiwc).

  • 1 Jun 2014, 10:46 p.m.

    I second what Adrian wrote!

    Back to these --a fifth true 24 hour IWC pocket watch has just surfaced. An expert collector wrote me, indicating that he has this one in his collection:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/fc283715cce5833839ced26824cf6ae0_zpse164f33f.jpg

    Unlike the other four it has a steel case, and a Borgel one at that! It was part of a group of 12 sent to Milano in 1893.

  • Master
    1 Jun 2014, 11:33 p.m.

    It's true, I am happy with my collection.

    I think the number of 24h dials in not so small to get one. It is quite special to Michaels 24h is an Hunter one,

    I am not sad really about Michales luck getting nice pieces, it was more thought as a choke, just to tease him a bit.
    I know he is dooing a lot for us IWC-collectors and he is much closer to the market I am. It is OK that he get some great pieces.

    Have 24 hours fun!

    kind regards

    Ralph

  • Master
    2 Jun 2014, 10:10 p.m.

    A great wish for every IWC owner and maybe a one liner for the future is the wish of Ralph Ehrismann :
    Have 24 hours fun!
    Kind regards,
    Adrian,
    (alwaysiwc).