From the odd.....

...to the odder. I noticed a c.83 for sale and could'nt help but spy the case appeaered to be the exact stunt double of one used by Schaffhausen on an automatic model (ref 527), besides the dial showing signs of being at the least second generation it also holds a movement much removed in any kind of known sequence and devoid of inca. While it's been anecdotaly rumoured about watches being put together 'under the counter' by ad's in troubled times....given the 1963 papertrail provided with the piece it may just pan out that any 'slips' were more official than first thought.

Would anybody like to expand....

....on the thought of Schaffhausen themselves useing non inca'd movements well into the '60's. I realise well enough that the very thought of the British mod pulling this stunt was farsical to some and so that chat is best left to one side....is Schaffhausen copying this most obtuse route equally laughable?/plausable....because unless the extract shown contains errors or is an outright mock-up....then it looks like the act is now documentable.

Don't have an image for the Ref 527

Could you please post one for comparison

Cheers from the cellar

What do you make....

....of Schaffhausen and the septemeber '63 non inca trick Mr. Cellar?

I don't read too much into it

Given that I don't believe Schaffhausen is infallible (a search of "Cal 150" clearly shows what I mean) the documentation you refer to, or the recording at the time could be at fault, but something clearly doesn't match up.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions about being put together afterward by a dealer or whether it's official. I'll add your image to my "What is it" directory and it will probably remain a curio.

I'm always wary of things that seem out of place and I certainly wouldn't pay a premium for the watch, a very substantial discount might even be too much.

Cheers from the cellar

PS Still looking forward to the Ref 527 image

Do you think if the extract is straight....

...then it more than suggests Schaffhausen were willing to retail watches devoid of inca well into the '60's...i know i've seen a least one other extract claiming exactly the same but alas flew past it busying myself elsewhere and more than a couple of lots indicating the very same but with no paperwork. I know how folk thought that the notion of this type of spec possibly being put together in( ironically enough) the very early sixties farsical but now with this extract being shown the evidence is no longer anecdotal....it can be varified to be fact. Shame really nobody wanted to chat....or better still wager it to be incorrect...i'd have bought and sent it in for another coat of looking at. Still the numbers are there for any intrested historians of the brand.

I haven't seen the extract

perhaps you could provide details.

Cheers from the cellar

My apologies Cellar....

....i was overlooking the fact that my initial post highlighting the route into a closer viewing of the piece was altered.....>a href="s111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/oneredtrim/?action=view¤t=BkUMzmgmkKGrHqMH-EMEs9WHSQH4BLGi6uh.jpg" target="_blank"<>img src="i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/oneredtrim/BkUMzmgmkKGrHqMH-EMEs9WHSQH4BLGi6uh.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"<>/a<

Thanks for posting the extract ....

The large difference in movement / case numbers certainly puts it in the 1960's rather than earlier. I initially thought it might of been 1953 rather than 1963.

For the non Incabloc Cal 83 movement from the first batch of movements produced in 1942 to have left the factory 21 years later certainly seems bizarre. I have no explanation.

I'd only draw some conclusions if further documented examples came to light.

Cheers from the cellar

Strangely enough.....

....the non inca'd Omega movements used by the British in '56 in both black and white format were from the early forties.