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Hello mister Jones

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    3 Dec 2019, 7:50 a.m. 3 Dec 2019, 7:50 a.m.
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    So happy that I could add these two to my collection.

    A very early Jones with number 933, pattern H, in amazing condition.

    And a pattern B, Henry Burns, a key wind, key set Jones. Case in coin silver.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    3 Dec 2019, 9:55 a.m. 3 Dec 2019, 9:55 a.m.
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    This pattern R Jones came earlier this year in the collection.

    Regnimelf3717 likes this.

    favorite 1

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    3 Dec 2019, noon 3 Dec 2019, noon
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    Hi Tonny,

    Congratulations on these beautiful pocket watches. I wonder if you could
    educate me regarding the different patterns- what are the differences between
    the pattern B, H, or others? Also, how many different patterns were produced?

    Thanks, Nelson

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 7:18 a.m. 4 Dec 2019, 7:18 a.m.
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    Hi Nelson,

    The different letters used to indicate different patterns were E, H, D, R, B,
    C and S.

    Jones employed a letter to indicate different aspects of the construction, so
    also a difference in quality.

    As you know, the first Jones watches made were of the highest possible
    quality. Later was chosen to also make more watches at lower pricepoints.

    The differences are f.i; in the number of jewels used, the type of balance
    spring...

    Not all the Jones movements have a letter engraved.

    More can be found in the excellent book F.A. Jones by David Seyffer, Thomas
    Konig and Alan Myers, about the leeters from page 72.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 7:23 a.m. 4 Dec 2019, 7:23 a.m.
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    Here is another pattern B from my collection

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 7:28 a.m. 4 Dec 2019, 7:28 a.m.
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    The pattern letter is sometimes not engraved, especially in movements with
    nummers above 12000.

    Here is an example from my collection with nr 23399 without a pattern letter.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 7:38 a.m. 4 Dec 2019, 7:38 a.m.
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    a pattern S
    with serial 17141 from the collection

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 4:49 p.m. 4 Dec 2019, 4:49 p.m.
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    Hi Tonny,

    An impressive Jones collection!

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

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    Clem
    Insider 398 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 4:56 p.m. 4 Dec 2019, 4:56 p.m.
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    Such an amazing and ever expanding collection of pocket watches.
    Congratulations on the new additons.

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 5:18 p.m. 4 Dec 2019, 5:18 p.m.
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    Thanks, Tonny. So is the order of the quality, from best quality to lower
    quality as listed: E, H, D, R, B, C, and the lowest quality S?

    Nelson

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    4 Dec 2019, 5:30 p.m. 4 Dec 2019, 5:30 p.m.
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    Hi Nelson,

    Pattern 'C' is the lowest quaility, but also the rarest to find.

    Not so many were made and because they were considerably lower in quality
    (9-11) jewels, these watches had not the typical Jones quality.

    They were produced or at least finished by Seeland who tried to reduce cost of
    production.

    This may explain their rarity nowadays. Once broken, watchmakers might have
    said that repair was not worthwhile.

    At this moment less than 10 pattern 'C' watches are know among Jones
    collectors.

    Regards,

    Adrian

    (alwaysiwc).

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    6 Dec 2019, 8:53 p.m. 6 Dec 2019, 8:53 p.m.
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    This is a key wind calibre Jones, pattern
'C'

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    6 Dec 2019, 8:58 p.m. 6 Dec 2019, 8:58 p.m.
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    Hi Nelson,

    Above is a calibre Jones, pattern 'C', key wind.

    It has 11 jewels and therefore the quality is lower.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    7 Dec 2019, 1:27 a.m. 7 Dec 2019, 1:27 a.m.
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    Most interesting to see such a rare, if not quality, watch. Thanks for the
    information and photo.

    I have only one Jones watch, and I'll open it to see what designation it has.

    Nelson

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    7 Dec 2019, 1:14 p.m. 7 Dec 2019, 1:14 p.m.
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    Here is my one and only Jones, a "S" model- It is in pristine condition, and
    came from one of the Forum's most respected members:

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    7 Dec 2019, 1:16 p.m. 7 Dec 2019, 1:16 p.m.
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    The beautiful dial, with the cursive- so classy.

    Nelson

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    10 Dec 2019, 7:19 p.m. 10 Dec 2019, 7:19 p.m.
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    Thanks gentlemen, very very handsome pocket watches!

    And... thanks for educating me (once more) ;-)

    Kind regards, Bob

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    11 Dec 2019, 1:40 p.m. 11 Dec 2019, 1:40 p.m.
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    Hi Nelson,

    A few facts about the 'S' pattern, calibre Jones.

    The pattern 'R' and 'S' are the most frequently encountered Jones calibres.

    Yours is an open face watch ( Lepine) and they are more rare than the hunters.

    Rarity is a relative term as it is estimated by Alan Myers that less than 3
    percent of all made Jones have been preseved.

    Although designed by F.A. Jones, he did not finish any of the Lepines. F.F.
    Seeland finished the raw movements and sold them.

    The high serial number points also in the direction of Seeland.

    The dial logo is as well correct for this watch and period.

    In summary, a nice original Jones watch, finished between 1876-78.

    Regards,

    Adrian.

    (alwaysiwc).

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2716 posts
    12 Dec 2019, 12:07 p.m. 12 Dec 2019, 12:07 p.m.
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    Thank you, Adrian, for this information.

    Nelson

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    Ben
    Master 1957 posts
    13 Dec 2019, 1:53 a.m. 13 Dec 2019, 1:53 a.m.
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    Some very special pocketwatches here, thank you all for sharing. And huge
    congratulations, Tonny, on these amzing additions to your museum!

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    Tom McIntyre
    Apprentice 1 post
    15 Dec 2019, 11:31 p.m. 15 Dec 2019, 11:31 p.m.
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    Jones H Case
    Jones H Mvt

    Thes are pictures of my Jones caliber watch that I sold several years ago. I
    do not know where it is today. When I purchased it, I thought it was probably
    the top grade but later found that it was not. I also purchased an E that was
    in rough condition, but showed a lot of promise.

    After about 10 or 12 years, I found a watchmaker who I felt was capable of
    doing a proper restoration/conservation of the E. As a first pass, he has
    brought the watch to running condition and repaired the mechanism to where it
    keeps very good time.

    My question at this point is just how scarce is this E model of the Jones. It
    is marked International Watch Co. New York Ser. No.5847. It is jeweled to the
    center (no chaton on the center) with cap jewels on the pallet arbor and
    escape wheel. I believe a complete example was sold by Crott about 12 years
    ago but I have not seen any other for sale.

    I sold the complete watch thinking that I could not afford to own them both
    and really preferred this one even with its rough history and lack of a dial.

    One of the things I especially like about it is the finish on the escape
    wheel. The recessed hub with polished side faces on the tips of the escape is
    a feature my friends and I look for in top grade watches. I do not know when
    that design feature was introduced, but it could be that the Jones Caliber E
    Model is where it first appeared.

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