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Ingenieur dials

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    BRIAN LEWIS
    Graduate 32 posts
    15 Feb 2010, 11:30 a.m. 15 Feb 2010, 11:30 a.m.
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    I have a 666 no date. Today I found a NOS Ingenieur Dial. The question is : The dial is certainly original however the index's have no luminous dots... Is this normal? did IWC make dials without those dots?
    Many thanks All your help.

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    Mr. David Ter Molen
    Master 982 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 8:15 a.m. 17 Feb 2010, 8:15 a.m.
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    Most had luminous dots but some did not (more)

    Hi there,

    The majority of ref. 666 Ingenieurs had luminous "dots" at the outside of each hour marker, especially the "calatrava" style dials that predominant most examples. See the above pictures from IWC's 1957 and 1966 catalogs (sorry for the large images). However, I have seen various ref 666 dials without the luminous. Do you have a photograph of the NOS dial?

    Cheers,

    David

    ps: Pictures from the IWC Catalog Project.
    See www.iwcforum.com/Vintage_Catalogs.html

    www.iwcforum.com/Catalogs/1957/0000019.jpg
    1957 Catalog

    www.iwcforum.com/Catalogs/1966/0000031.jpg
    1966 Catalog

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    Mr. Alan Ross
    Master 5742 posts
    16 Feb 2010, 10:55 p.m. 16 Feb 2010, 10:55 p.m.
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    Good info Dave. Thanks. nt

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    BRIAN LEWIS
    Graduate 32 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 5:40 a.m. 17 Feb 2010, 5:40 a.m.
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    Most had luminous dots but some did not (more)

    Many thanks this info...Dial is now at my watchmaker who has all the other parts.When ready will prepare some images.
    Again thanks for the info, I feel better!
    Regards Brian

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    Mr. David Ter Molen
    Master 982 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 12:20 a.m. 17 Feb 2010, 12:20 a.m.
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    Here's some more information

    The below link was down but is now fixed. It's an article I co-authored with Larry Seiden and Marco Schönenberger on dial variations in vintage ingenieurs.

    See also, Maro's Ingenieur page at www.moeb.ch/Ingenieur/01e_ref666.html

    Ingenieur Dial Variations

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    Mr. Jens-Kristian Soegaard
    Connoisseur 253 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 2:55 a.m. 17 Feb 2010, 2:55 a.m.
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    One with dots and one without

    Jens-Kristian

    i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/jksoegaard/Inge666small.jpg
    666 from 1956

    i126.photobucket.com/albums/p89/jksoegaard/Inge866small.jpg
    866 from 1969

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    Larry Seiden
    Master 1243 posts
    16 Feb 2010, 7:40 p.m. 16 Feb 2010, 7:40 p.m.
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    Dial Variations

    As David pointed out, IWC outsourced many (if not all) of the dials and there were many combinations, some quite sporty (with arabics) and some quite dressy and conservative.

    As much research as we did for the article, it was clear there were as many variations as you could ever imagine. Remember, this was also the Golden Age of Watchmaking and no idea or concept was too "out there." for the Ingenieur line IWC stuck to the tried and true dial designs.

    Best,
    Larry

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Watchful/IWCs/Inge-LS-852a.jpg
    an 852 no date.

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    Mr. Ivan Melbourne
    Master 1918 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 4:25 a.m. 17 Feb 2010, 4:25 a.m.
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    Another 766AD

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/IvanMelbourne/IWC%201959%2014ct%20%20Vintage%20Ingenieur%20766AD/MVC-006S.jpg?t=1266357567

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    Mr. Dr. Hajo Thissen
    Connoisseur 449 posts
    17 Feb 2010, 12:40 p.m. 17 Feb 2010, 12:40 p.m.
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    a 666 AD

    img12.imageshack.us/img12/2128/img3327idq.jpg

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    19 Feb 2010, 8:55 a.m. 19 Feb 2010, 8:55 a.m.
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    I have to add another 866 of course ,-) nt

    farm1.static.flickr.com/70/213051366_ac932fcb82_o.jpg

    farm1.static.flickr.com/131/370671178_8312d07b5d_b.jpg

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    Mr. Ivan Melbourne
    Master 1918 posts
    19 Feb 2010, 7:30 a.m. 19 Feb 2010, 7:30 a.m.
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    A great dial......before its time...............nt

    nt

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    Rob Stynen
    Master 929 posts
    19 Feb 2010, 1:25 a.m. 19 Feb 2010, 1:25 a.m.
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    Bob, that is such a classic beauty...

    marvelous, and in perfect shape.

    Could you please remind me the age, and is that bracelet the original ? (knowing you, it is original of course)
    Probably I could guess the age from the bracelet's shape... is it late 60's or early 70's ?

    Thanks, ciao Rob.

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    18 Feb 2010, 2:20 p.m. 18 Feb 2010, 2:20 p.m.
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    Thanks Rob, it's 1973 with original ref.10...

    'oyster' bracelet which I got NOS in original plastic sealing with the watch when I bought it!

    Groet,

    Bob

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