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Is this a redial?

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  • last reply by ADRIAN van der Meijden 7 Aug 2022
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    Arte2
    Apprentice 1 post
    19 Jul 2022, 4:41 p.m. 19 Jul 2022, 4:41 p.m.
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    I bought a IWC watch recently with a dial that I suspect might be a redial -
    it lacks the "SWISS" at 6, indexes seems to be misplaced (?) etc. I know that
    other manufactures sometimes
    created dials for IWC with varying quality, including no "SWISS" which makes
    it very hard (for me) to determine if its factory original or not. What do you
    guys think? The watch in question is a IWC cal. 89 "Cioccolatone" from 1952.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3573 posts
    19 Jul 2022, 10:13 p.m. 19 Jul 2022, 10:13 p.m.
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    not sure either, but my guess is that it is not a redial

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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3201 posts
    19 Jul 2022, 10:20 p.m. 19 Jul 2022, 10:20 p.m.
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    I think it is original.
    Look at the minute plots. They project through the dial finish from the plate.
    This is comparable to other Cal 89 dials....

    Also, the sunburst pattern under the varnish looks good!

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    Cromagnonman
    Insider 410 posts
    20 Jul 2022, 10:09 a.m. 20 Jul 2022, 10:09 a.m.
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    Hi Arte2,

    i am not so sure that this is original. The inscript is quite big and the
    swiss is missing. However there is nothing wrong with the indexes.

    i found an image on the web, it belongs to monacolegendauctions

    br

    Cromagnonman

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    Catherine
    Master 1009 posts
    21 Jul 2022, 2:14 p.m. 21 Jul 2022, 2:14 p.m.
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    Redial

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2662 posts
    7 Aug 2022, 7:57 a.m. 7 Aug 2022, 7:57 a.m.
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    I believe it is too difficult for a collector to say redial or not.

    The dial on your watch looks 'old' and 'used' and has applied indices with
    fine scratches and patina.

    For me the following reason is the most important to believe it is an original
    dial.

    It is an unusual watch from 1952, not sought after by collectors and unknown
    to most of them.

    Therefore the watch has not an exceptional value. A redial or restauration is
    nowadays a costly operation and such procedure is unknown to the average
    owner..

    Why doing this, if it is doubtful to get back the investment? I mean it is not
    a Mark IX, original Portugiese or Jumbo Ingenieur.

    Just an opinion.

    Regards,

    Adrian.

    (alwaysiwc).

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