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IWC Mark 11 and Sir Edmund Hillary

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    Greg Steer
    Master 2688 posts
    11 Aug 2010, 8:41 p.m. 11 Aug 2010, 8:41 p.m.
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    Some may be surprised at the reference (page 248) in the new IWC book, “Engineering Time Since 1868” that Sir Edmund Hillary wore an IWC Mark 11 during his part of the 1957 Commonwealth Trans-Antarctic Expedition. Hillary was leader of the support party from Scott Base, and was the third person to travel overland and reach the South Pole (1958) after Amundsen (1911) and Scott (1912).

    Two IWC Mark 11 watches were provided, one to Hillary and the other to Bob Miller, Deputy Leader and Senior Surveyor. These were donated by Messers Weiner and Co. of Wellington, the IWC distributors at that time, and described in “Antarctica” by Helm and Miller as “Two first class watches”, while Smiths of England provided a wrist watch for every member.

    Hillary had been a Royal New Zealand Air Force navigator duing World War 2, flying on Catalina aircraft, and on the Expedition took an aircraft bubble sextant for navigation purposes. This later leaked and the bubble grew larger making it unreliable as his party made its way to the pole.

    During winter Hillary instigated a series of weekly talks, one of which was a Navigation Course conducted by Bob Millar that covered, Dead reckoning, Time – including chronometers and time signals, Practical work with Theodolite and Sextant, etc. So no doubt the IWC Mark 11's were put to good use.

    Cheers from the cellar.

    Sources:

    Antarctica, A.S Helm and J.H Miller
    Engineering Time Since 1868, Manfred Fritz, Paulo Coelho and Enki Bilal
    Hellbent for the Pole, Geoffrey Lee Martin
    No Latitude for Error, Sir Edmund Hillary
    The Crossing of Antarctica, Sir Vivian Fuchs and Sir Edmund Hillary

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    Michael Friedberg
    Moderator 11468 posts
    11 Aug 2010, 9:11 p.m. 11 Aug 2010, 9:11 p.m.
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    Very interesting indeed. Some have reported that Hillary wore an Ingenieur when climbing Mt. Everest --which is incorrect but it has been reported, presumably correctly, that he did for other expeditions. But now perhaps it wasn't an Inge but a Mark 11!

    My guess is that he wore an Inge for some and a Mark 11 for the expedition you've mentioned.

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    Ross Baverstock
    Master 803 posts
    12 Aug 2010, 4:33 a.m. 12 Aug 2010, 4:33 a.m.
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    Thanks Greg-didn't know Hillary had used an IWC.
    He wore a Smiths Deluxe on Everest (and Tensing a R***x) although it seems unclear if he actually wore it on the summit.

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    Rave
    Master 3148 posts
    13 Aug 2010, 8:51 p.m. 13 Aug 2010, 8:51 p.m.
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    Fascinating. Thanks, Greg. It is also good to hear that the book has reached you. Amazon has postponed my delivery until sometime next month.

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    Philipp Stahl
    Apprentice 1 post
    12 Feb 2011, 12:12 p.m. 12 Feb 2011, 12:12 p.m.
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    Michael Friedberg has written:

    Very interesting indeed. Some have reported that Hillary wore an Ingenieur when climbing Mt. Everest --which is incorrect but it has been reported, presumably correctly, that he did for other expeditions. But now perhaps it wasn't an Inge but a Mark 11!

    My guess is that he wore an Inge for some and a Mark 11 for the expedition you've mentioned.

    Hi Michael,

    Long time I was not online here but I can tell you, I still love your ex-urportugieser ref 325 enormously!

    &

    About Hillary's IWC, I saw the Ingenieur with special caseback gravure. Next time i'll make a picture of it ;-)

    Best to YOU!
    rg.Philipp

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    Waimar
    Connoisseur 191 posts
    21 Mar 2013, 6:44 a.m. 21 Mar 2013, 6:44 a.m.
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    Hi everyone,

    I am currently on holidays in New Zealand and got some information that might also be fun to read in this regard.
    Many thanks to Andrew from the Wellington IWC AD for sending me these old articles after a very nice talk in Wellington.

    Cheers,

    Waimar

    i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj577/Wiemheer/e816691f5c5a20b86d67400b24a5d30f.jpg

    i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj577/Wiemheer/518bedb2dfe68a42a590de6b4a3d8df1.jpg

    i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj577/Wiemheer/c1e45142566779d133322f287a87b2c6.jpg

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    Mr. Jeronimo Guimaraes
    Master 1043 posts
    21 Mar 2013, 7:23 a.m. 21 Mar 2013, 7:23 a.m.
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    Thanks Greg, for another significant contribution to my IWC knowledge!

    Thanks Waimar for the added info!

    Great thread, I'm glad it was resuscitated.

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    Mr. David Hills
    Master 694 posts
    21 Mar 2013, 7:31 a.m. 21 Mar 2013, 7:31 a.m.
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    Great post. It would be interesting to know where the watches used by the expeditions ended up.

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    Mr. Jeronimo Guimaraes
    Master 1043 posts
    21 Mar 2013, 8:41 a.m. 21 Mar 2013, 8:41 a.m.
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    David Hills has written:

    Great post. It would be interesting to know where the watches used by the expeditions ended up.

    +1!

    And I'm sure they would deserve a place in the museum...

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    Mr. Jarrod Gill
    Master 3720 posts
    7 Jul 2013, 7:20 a.m. 7 Jul 2013, 7:20 a.m.
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    News to me. Pretty cool that Ed used to wear IWC!

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    Mr. Dhr. drs. B.E.M. Dekkers
    Master 996 posts
    7 Jul 2013, 2:22 p.m. 7 Jul 2013, 2:22 p.m.
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    Great post veru intersesting.
    In october november I'm going myself on my "EVEREST EXPEDITION"(!)
    Rest assured, I'm not going to the top but to BCE II (6200m above sea level).
    So climbing khumbu valley and after that return through to kathmandu"
    However I will not take an ingeneur with me but an AT GST.
    Pic will folow (promise)
    Cheers

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    Mr. David Hills
    Master 694 posts
    7 Jul 2013, 2:29 p.m. 7 Jul 2013, 2:29 p.m.
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    Great to hear, and good luck Bas...respect.

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    8 Jul 2013, 11:14 a.m. 8 Jul 2013, 11:14 a.m.
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    Hi Greg,
    Thanks for the posting celebrating the IWC Mark 11 and Sir Edmond Hillary.

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    Mr. Ray Cooray
    Connoisseur 156 posts
    9 Jul 2013, 3:21 a.m. 9 Jul 2013, 3:21 a.m.
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    I assume going from hot to cold temperatures there is some change to the accuracy of the watch, especially if the watch was regulated for a warm location and not the Pole. Wonder what the accuracy of Mark 11 was when crossing the Antarctic. Is there an official operating temperature range for modern IWCs? Where can I look up the specs say for Portuguese and Portofinos?

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    Mr. Müller
    Connoisseur 460 posts
    9 Jul 2013, 7:18 a.m. 9 Jul 2013, 7:18 a.m.
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    Great post.

    Thanks

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    Ms. Mary Lui
    Apprentice 3 posts
    24 Sep 2013, 6:34 p.m. 24 Sep 2013, 6:34 p.m.
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    Mr. Michael Colfelt
    Connoisseur 143 posts
    1 Oct 2013, 12:33 p.m. 1 Oct 2013, 12:33 p.m.
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    Very interesting indeed! Thank you for the info.

    Best regards
    Michael

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    Bill B.
    Master 6724 posts
    1 Oct 2013, 3:42 p.m. 1 Oct 2013, 3:42 p.m.
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    Another great Cellar contribution to the Forum. Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the history and tradition of the brand with us.

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