• Apprentice
    17 Jun 2025, 3:26 p.m.

    hello everyone,

     

    I'm looking for information about this watch. I received it in a wooden box, although I am not sure if the box belongs to the watch, as there are no markings on it. 

     

    I posted this on a dutch watch forum, where i was directed here. Some info about the watch:

    It has the IWC logo on the dial plate, together with a smaller dial plate. The dials are blue.

    The back has a nice pattern, with a banner/shield. I presume now that this might be to engrave initials?

    After opening the first "lid" (I do not know what to call this, but the opening lids on the back of the watch), "K 14" and "93" marks are present. Furthermore, there is a squirrel mark, which I have been told is Swiss. 

     

    After opening the second "lid", the mechanism is exposed. There are a number of marks here:

    -inside the lid: "metal 93" and "J.D." aswell as initials and a date "S.K. 15.11.1919" which I've been told has been added later.

    -on the mechanism: A nice IWC Logo in a wave pattern, and what I presume is the serial number: "H 3616".

    I was told that this might be an IWC Seeland Caliber 22, and after looking at pictures I think this is right (I am not knowledgable of watches at all). What I do not know however, is what the "H" in the serial number means.

    I wonder the following:

    -Is this watch a Seeland Caliber 22?

    -What does the serial mean and how old is this watch?

     

    Thank you in advance,

    Wouter

     

     

  • Connoisseur
    17 Jun 2025, 10:24 p.m.

    Could you please provide a high res pic of the H 3616 marking you deem to be the movement number?

     

    Regards


    Th. Koenig

  • Apprentice
    18 Jun 2025, 5:37 a.m.

    I hope this is a better picture

    Wouter

     

  • Connoisseur
    19 Jun 2025, 4:10 p.m.

    Dear Wouter

     

    What you have is in the old denomination a Cal. 22. But research a few years ago resulted in the conclusion that the Cal. 22 (Lepine) and 23 (Savonette) are nothing more than variants of the Cal. 20 (Lepine) und 21 (Savonette) in technical terms and in the notion of F.F. Seeland, who launched these calibres. So in the current denomination it is a Cal. 20 H in the highest quality, i.e. "H". The qualitiy letter were the same as with Jones calibres, however other than on Jones movements the quality letter was not engraved on the movement with the Seeland 3/4 plates.

     

    What you deem to be a leading "H" in front of the four digit movement number in fact is the figure "4" enhancing the movement number from 4 to five digits forming the movement number 43,616. That fits perfect in the range of the IWC Seeland 3/4-plates calibres in general and of a calibre 20H in partikular, while the four digit "3,616" would have indicated a movement number assigned to the movement by a retailer or simply forgery. 

     

    A "twin" of your movement is depicted in EHRISMANN-KÖNIG-LUCHETTI-MATHE-MYERS, The International Watch Co. from 1875 to 1890, Fig 7D. The book provides some more info on the Cal. 18-21 (previously 18 to 23).

     

    Regards

     

    Th. Koenig

  • Apprentice
    20 Jun 2025, 9:22 a.m.

    Thank you for the detailed answer! I am quite exited about this watch, and I suspect it has been in my family since it was first bought. I will be looking into my family archives, to hopefully identify who's initials are carved in.

     

    best regards,

    Wouter