IWC XI white dial

Hi,

Remember discussions perviously about these white dials. Just like to know
opinions on this one.

Not affiliated with the person/shop who has the watch.

Not uncommon, somilar to mine.

For previous discussions on this matter, please do a search in the forum.
This issue has been exhausted.

I agree with Clepsydra.

Summary of all extensive discussions : the white dial is not a military one,
but aftermarket.

Adrian,

(alwaysiwc)

They hold the hue of plenty of the dials commissioned by the british mod,
dials that were also paired with earlier non inca mvmts and do not share that
hue with any white dials executed in the mid '80's, chance? To make matters
worse a sceptic would have to think the german surplus dealer who was shouting
he was responsible had instructed a dial maker to mix some tritium % up that
married the mods mix between 58 and 62....he would have been better off
getting busy with $100 bills.

Stateing he found the original dials at the bottom of his bag proved he had a
sense of humour...

Wonder why he thought a white dial would sell and not a mirrored copy of an
original...his more severe baron looking offerings were very mod copycat..the
mod didnt want an arrow nmore and niether did he...kitty kitty
copycat...hmmm...i think the surplus fella shown that much skill he was
obviously more than a general dealer and could well have been william de ropps
2nd cousin.

Huh? Sorry, I don't understand at all what you are implying. Would you make
it more clear?- I, personally, am very interested to understand what you are
implying, but you should make things more understandable. Thanks.

Nelson

You have been around for a good while Nelson, your eyes must have looked at
plenty of dials by now..do the dials in question remind you of white dials in
the eighties.

Do you think some surplus dealer trying to discover if he could shift stock
faster if he had it painted white is more credible than the british mod
actually having dials painted white to be installed in earlier non incad sweep
second stock...stock that also incorparated the corresponding black
variant....is that the bit you dont understand? ...cause it's not complicated,
the mod have form for arranging that ^ spec and/or the german surplus fella
thought it imaginative to introduce a new line to his sales, bum bum.

Hi Catherine,
Thanks for coming back. I find this very interesting. I'm not trying to be
argumenative- that is surely not my style. But the majority claims these
dials were NOT by MOD, and you seem to suggest over and over they are/could
be. I'm trying to be in the middle, and learn.

So you:

-state/believe that the MOD actually specified some white dial AND black dials that look like this one pictured, but specified they would not have the pheon, and installed them on early, non-inca Mark XI's?

And then some German guy came along, and had more of these white dials made
made so he could profit by putting the newer, non-official MOD white dials on
Mark XI's?

And one can tell the difference by the hue/coloration of the dial?

Would there be other differences, such as: the ones you say were made by the
MOD and painted white be made of soft iron, whereas the ones made by the
German fellow not be soft iron?

How do you tell the difference?

Thank you, Catherine.

Nelson

I am struggling with the signing-in and out nelson and do not really fancy a
questions and answers session...

Do YOU think the dials look like white dials from the '80's....

The mod produced white and black dials devoid of inca with sweep seconds by
omega and longines post the date they had used black dialled inca
watches...the offerings were devoid of a ^ to the dial....the surplus dealer
simply fancied a new line...or so he said.

Sorry you're having trouble signing in and out. As for the "Q &A", I thought
that was what forums are for...

As to whether I think the dials look like white dials from the '80's: I could
not possible know, since I don't know how to tell the differences- which is
why I was asking.

I suppose others might be willing to enlighten me more- right now I have
learned that Omega and Longines made black dials without a pheon, but don't
understand about IWC, from your standpoint.

Have a good/better day.

Nelson

Yes it is what forums are for, its just the service isnt very forum friendly
to me at the moment...it's why i mentioned it...

It is also why i mentioned black and white dials being produced....if you read
my posts thinking they state only black dials without ^ being produced then
having to rewrite this becomes a bit of a pain...at the moment.

The mod being
black and
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coupled
with earlier stock doesnt have anything to do with iwc
for now...but everything to do with a surplus dealer not being the morph of
such cobbled together offerings

Though the masses might correctly think the hand-kit is out of period...i
seriously doubt the british mod were bothered.

It is much easier nelson to do your own research, it will take me too long to
interact on here, research is best left simple and not to make anything
personal to iwc...did the british absolutely want black and white dials
coupled with old movements before mr surplus...determine that first.

• and then ask yourself why/how do the b&w late

50s offerings look like poor redials...not unlike the surplus mans
really...aint that cute.

;^)

Dear Catherine,

You know a lot about IWC vintage watches.

But we cannot learn much from you.

Your use of the English language is the cause of this and by this your message
does not land.

That is a pity.

Regards,

Adrian,

(alwaysiwc).

Dear adrian....it appears from your earlier post you have determined the facts
of the matter...with that in mind i feel you have nothing to learn from me.
Which is also a pity because Nelson's learnt the english have indeed used
black and white combination dials devoid of ^ before today and even before the
'80's, i'm sure he undetstands that this discovery does seem to be a great big
fact and the surplus merchant dreaming of such a move does seem to be
anecdotal and we've all been told in this very forum rhat anecdotal evidence
should be taken with a pinch of salt.

With the iwc dials (b&w) looking very akin to the other british offerings in
the late '50's its almost like someone is telling fibs, like theyve bought a
bag of work in progress and took the claim.

I'm definitely NOT going to get into any "Mark 11 white dial" discussion
anymore. Catherine, aka ORT, can't be bothered to grace us with additional
undicipherable posts, and I said all I had to say on the subject and do not
see the point of repeating myself.

Hi Catherine,

I am not a native speaker, this can easily lead to missunderstandings on
specific topics, what should be clarified by further questions.

- If I understand correctly, so there are at least two different versions
White Dials ?

- My dial has an low gamma radiation, typical for tritium luminous material.

- Are there any discernible differences between the Dials ?

I have attached fresh photos of my white dial (it is definetly no soft iron).
Can you figure out which type of dial it is ?

Thank you in advance and best regards

Heiko

• I spy with my little eye...something begining with v....a very little v actually (HebeS dial/qtr past) looks like one of them little v's that were very early sixties specific, opposed to the other type (cheers Heeb)

Well, I'm not a good puzzle player ?!

But why not, maybe it leads to a new opinion.
- Do you mean, that "scratch" shown on the photo is a mark ?
- Who has made this marking, the MOD ?

Since I do not have much information about the Mark XI dials, I would be glad
to receive more PRECISE information, thanks.

Exactly, Heiko. It seems this is a game of innuendo.

What did I hope to learn here: is the white dial seen on some Mark XI's a dial
that WAS MADE BY IWC, and placed on these watches?

What did I (try to) learn here: one person's opinion, despite trying to be
gentle and supportive, is one that hints at and riddles at, that there IS some
of these dials that WERE MADE by IWC- but the problem, outside of trying to
drag this information out like it is some state secret, is there is NO PROOF
offered, just statements, a little at a time.

I would be totally open to hear some fact, and would appreciate it. Like I
said before, perhaps someone else might shed some light on this without all
the drama and secrecy, and give us proof.

Nelson

Hi Nelson,

You hit the nail on the head.

Why should dramatic and mysterious language be used?

Will someone be hurt? Is there a German-English complot? Will a military
general be fired?

This cat and mouse game will lead to nothing. No more comments from me.

Thank you,

Adrian,

(alwaysiwc).

Nice dial Hebe...thanks for showing.