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    Michael Friedberg
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    16 Apr 2014, 3:59 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 3:59 p.m.
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    I've been asked to write a short article on F.A. Jones. The general story of the founder of IWC is well-known, and I don't want to simply recast what's written before. So I decided to engage in some original research, even if I'm not sure yet how all this will fit within the article.

    But I've uncovered a treasure trove of original documents. I even have a lead to his (undiscovered) gravesite and also a possible Civil War photo. But for right now I thought I'd share his Passport Application from January 16, 1869 --right before he left for Schaffhausen. Here it is:
    i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/michaelfriedberg/FAJones-Passport_zps4bee51be.jpg
    If you can read the fine print, you'll notice that he was 28 years old, 5 feet nine inches tall, with blue eyes and brown hair.

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    Mr. Michael Paduano
    Connoisseur 473 posts
    16 Apr 2014, 4:18 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 4:18 p.m.
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    Hey, Michael.
    I'm just chiming in so this thread will stay in my "in-box". This looks like it will be really fascinating!

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    Michael Friedberg
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    16 Apr 2014, 4:41 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 4:41 p.m.
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    Hi Mike,

    I was tempted to enlist you to go to Mt. Auburn Cemetery, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Jones was purportedly buried there, but I've done additional research. His remains were interred there on 21 October 1916 but by cremation. So there's no headstone after all. And interestingly his widow, Susan was neither buried nor cremated there when she died a few years later.

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    Nelson Herring
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    16 Apr 2014, 6:01 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 6:01 p.m.
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    That's quite an interesting description column; I guess before photographs were common, it was the way. I look forward to reading more about him, but for now, I'm just trying to get my mind around a medium forehead, a square mouth, and a full face!

    Nelson

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    Mr. Michael Paduano
    Connoisseur 473 posts
    16 Apr 2014, 8:29 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 8:29 p.m.
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    Michael Friedberg has written:

    Hi Mike,

    I was tempted to enlist you to go to Mt. Auburn Cemetery, in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Jones was purportedly buried there, but I've done additional research. His remains were interred there on 21 October 1916 but by cremation. So there's no headstone after all. And interestingly his widow, Susan was neither buried nor cremated there when she died a few years later.

    I think popspin or ardoise would have been sounder choices. I'd have gotten lost on I93. :-)

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    Greg Steer
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    16 Apr 2014, 9:10 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 9:10 p.m.
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    The passport application bears the signature of Charles Kidder, Jones' associate at IWC, so I'd guess that Jones probably signed Kidder's passport application at the same time.

    Do you have details of Kidder?

    Cheers from the cellar

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    Michael Friedberg
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    16 Apr 2014, 10:09 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 10:09 p.m.
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    I didn't bother to look up Kidder's passport but I have been told that his was issued at the same time.

    For those unaware, Kidder and Jones both went together to Schaffhausen before the founding of IWC. Kidder went back to the States, where he became head of Cornell Watch Co. in Chicago, which then moved to the West Coast of U.S. Cornell pocket watches are quite nice, relatively uncommon and highly prized.

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    Mr. Ralph Ehrismann
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    16 Apr 2014, 10:16 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 10:16 p.m.
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    Many thanks, interesting document.

    So the date 1868 for the foundation of IWC in SChaffhausen could be wrong ;-)

    Kindest regards

    Ralph

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    Tango Victor
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    16 Apr 2014, 10:51 p.m. 16 Apr 2014, 10:51 p.m.
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    Looking forward to hearing much more Michael, thanks!

    Regards,
    Thang

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    Mr. Michael Paduano
    Connoisseur 473 posts
    17 Apr 2014, 12:39 a.m. 17 Apr 2014, 12:39 a.m.
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    [QUOTE="Ralph Ehrismann"]Many thanks, interesting document.

    So the date 1868 for the foundation of IWC in SChaffhausen could be wrong ;-)

    Kindest regards

    Ralph

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    Hmmm. I didn't catch that. Did Jones go home after a first visit and start-up of the company? And would he then have needed a new passport under the then laws?

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    Clepsydra
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    17 Apr 2014, 9:22 a.m. 17 Apr 2014, 9:22 a.m.
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    Hi Michael. Well done.
    This reminds of the BBC programme, Who do you think you are?
    We do not who AJ thought he was, but we are all thankful that he left Boston to Schaffhausen to start the Iternational Watch Company.

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    dzul
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    17 Apr 2014, 1:17 p.m. 17 Apr 2014, 1:17 p.m.
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    Interesting...I look forward to further results from your research.

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    Simius
    Master 509 posts
    19 Apr 2014, 2:23 p.m. 19 Apr 2014, 2:23 p.m.
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    Very interesting...this really goes back to the very first of the brand and its founder..

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    Mr. Andrew Thomas
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    19 Apr 2014, 10:40 p.m. 19 Apr 2014, 10:40 p.m.
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    Some very nice history about to be revealed. Good luck with your detective work.

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    8541
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    19 Apr 2014, 10:49 p.m. 19 Apr 2014, 10:49 p.m.
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    Amazing read! Thanks MF for this research and sharing.

    I look forward to part #2.

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    Michael Friedberg
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    20 Apr 2014, 12:08 a.m. 20 Apr 2014, 12:08 a.m.
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    One more teaser. I uncovered this notice in an 1881 issue of the New York Times, and to my knowledge this important fact about Jones' life, especially after he returned from his failed venture in Switzerland, was never known previously.

    www.iwcforum.com/Articles/BankruptcyNotice.png

    I have checked and believe that the underlying court records may not be available, but also I believe this is "our" Florentine A. Jones --I can find no other person with the same name in the U.S. census at that time.

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    Mr. Thomas Koenig
    Connoisseur 375 posts
    20 Apr 2014, 5:45 p.m. 20 Apr 2014, 5:45 p.m.
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    In the New York Times issue July 27, 1878 You'll find the announcemt, F.A. Jones has filed for bankruptcy and to whom he owed which amounts. And the names given show it is "our" Jones.

    Obviously "Register Dayton" does not mean a register located in a district named Dayton, but the clerk or judge before the petition was filed.

    What you, Michael, found seems to be the end of the bankruptcy procedure started in 1878.

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    Michael Friedberg
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    20 Apr 2014, 6:10 p.m. 20 Apr 2014, 6:10 p.m.
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    Thanks, Thomas. I must tell you (and others) that your chapter in the Jones book (F.A. Jones --His Life, Legacy and Watches) is an incredible example of in-depth historical research. I marvel as I read and reread it.

    One picky-picky point...on page 60 of the English language edition you wrote that he filed for bankruptcy in Dayton, Ohio. I believe it was in the Southern District of New York and Robert A. B. Dayton was the "assignee". That's not the clerk or judge, but rather like a "trustee" appointed by the court --usually a lawyer in private practice whose task is to collect the assets, liquidate them and satisfy creditors according to their bankruptcy preferences.

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