Pallweber nr. 554

Yes it is a Pallweber I, but just I don't know the number. However it seems to me that the 554 has the same holes on the plate.
It would be very interesting to see pictures of the movement without serial number!
Regards
Giovanni

Dear Ralph,

it is possible that the movement is not rhodium plated rather nickel finished but the balance spring is not a Breguet type one, nor the hairspring is fixed by the usual way of other IWC movements it is the same as in case my other Pallwebers and all of the details of the movement are the same as in case my other Pallweber III movements. This movement has serial number of course That's another (Pallweber I) that I wrote about. Of course I will put some pictures of it but this time I'm very busy and it will be the soonest next week.

Best regards,

Áron

Dear Giovanni,

I will put some picture of my movements so that all of us can improve our knowledge connected to this type of movements. Many thanks for your reply.

P.S.: and one further interesting fact connected to the writing on the dial. It is not just the same text "International Watch Company" but this writing against to yours one is a capitalization I mean all of the letters are printed capitals not written letters. I have two pieces of this type.

Regards,
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Dear Ralph,
I have found the fastest way to share pictures so I will do it soon.
You can see on the silver color movement some sign of wear where the brass is visible so now i'm not sure what to think about the material surface. Regards,Á

Dear Ralph,

here you can see the picture of the silver colored movement and it is clearly visible that the bridges are made from brass.

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Dear Ralph and Giovanni,

here is the picture of the Pallweber I. without any serial number on the movement.

Regards,

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Dear Michael,

many thanks for your help I will resolve the mentioned problem of course. Help me please whether i can see well that the first picture is quite big size and can be made bigger by click on it? Should I send them to your mail?

Regards,
Áron

Dear Giovanni,

here you can see the picture of the dial of the Pallweber II. with the mentioned writing on it.

best regards

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OK. May english seems (sorry, again this filling word) not to be the best.

1st seems:

I got once a list with observed old IWC watches & movements in auctions and collections.
In that list I found a Pallweber with a number in the 15x.
As I got this list "as information only, not to be distibuted", I can not be more precise, Sorry.

2nd seems:
Yes in my pocket watch collection there is a Elgin I watch with the movement number 314, but I have it not here and it is not so easy to find, as there is more than one or two PW's, an other Sorry.

3rdly:
In my collection there is also a fraction of an Elgin I movement with the serial number 158.

Thank you for sharing the picture.

Yes, the movement looks like made of a nickel coated brass plate.
The other "quality signes" looks as the "normal" Pallwebers

• flat balance spring
• simple fixing of the balance spring.

I am not shure, but between the balance bridge and the winding house plate there could be a part of a serial number. (11xx or 44xx)

Many thanks for tharing this nice mevement, brobaly for the south or north american market.

Ralph,

this movement is a part of a comlpete pocket watch which is being under a full service, cleaning and oiling. So what I can tell you about it is that the dial features spanish words so you are right it was made supposedly to the south american market. The case is silver and original as well. Regards.

Ralph, Aron, Giovanni,

this is turning into a very educational as well as learning post which I am sure that David Seyffer is watching very carefully too!

Aron, Giovanni, as relatively newcomers to the forum we are most pleased to see you here. As you see, this is THE PLACE on the web, to discuss IWC and all things related. You can also know, that given his busy schedule, that we are most happy and honored that you have drawn Ralph Ehrismann into the discussion. We know it gives him (as it does us) great pleasure in sharing and expanding the knowledge on the vintage pieces.

Aron, we definitely need to please have larger pictures posted of those movements.

Best regards
Mark

Dear Ralph and Aron
Yes, the movement is certainly for the South American market.
It would be very interesting to know the number of the movement. It is certainly a Pallweber III and if the number assumed from Ralph (44xx) is correct (11XX instead is impossible!), it would be inserted in one of the first batches of Pallweber III.
Regards
Giovanni

Dear Ralph,
the movement with serial number 158 confirm my teory.
For Pallweber n. 15x (evidently Pallweber I) and for Elgin I n. 314 a photo would be extremely useful. If numbers were confirmed both refute the teory.
It is essential to see them!
Regards
Giovanni

Dear Áron,
Very, very interesting! Thank you for this picture.
Regards
Giovanni

Dear Áron,
what is the difference between this one and n. 554?
To me they look very very similar!
Are you sure that the movement is without number? The number 554 is slightly impressed, so it can seem without number!
Do you have any other photo (of the case too)?
Regards
Giovanni

Dear Giovanni,

I'm sure it hasn't got any number on the movement since I have had chance to examine it personally. It is a very early piece, supposedly from 1884 and its unique is the condition, it is flawless.
I will post some further pictures in a couple of days.

best regards

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