• Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 3:26 a.m.

    Dear Giovanni,

    I'm sure it hasn't got any number on the movement since I have had chance to examine it personally. It is a very early piece, supposedly from 1884 and its unique is the condition, it is flawless.
    I will post some further pictures in a couple of days.

    best regards

    Á

  • Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 3:34 a.m.

    Mark,

    thanks for your note I will keep in mind your requirement of course. After all if you click on the pictures I have shared you can make them bigger (the pic of the nickel coated mov. is 8MB) if you can't then I really should upload them other way. I'm new and supposedly I made soemthing in a wrong way.
    Many thanks.

    Regards,
    Áron

  • Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 3:52 a.m.

    Dear Giovanni,

    the number of the movement is 11XXX. It is hardly visible caused by the slightly stamped numbers. Let me know if you need further info about this piece.

    Regards,
    Á

  • Connoisseur
    17 Apr 2012, 7:47 a.m.

    Thank you Áron
    Everything is clear, it is a Pallweber III and the number of the movement belongs to a known batch of 1885.
    It is a splendid example for the South American market! Congratulations!
    Regards
    Giovanni

  • Connoisseur
    17 Apr 2012, 7:54 a.m.

    Dear Áron
    It is very important to see all possible pictures of movement and case.
    Many thanks
    Giovanni

  • Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 7:23 p.m.

    Dear all,

    I would be really grateful for your opinion about this dial. (It seems to be original but unfortunately has been tried to wipe by someone already) Firstly I would like to know what kind of dial it is (beyond the fact that it is a Pallweber dial) I mean what amount has ever been produced from this type and when.

    [kepfeltoltes.hu/thumb/120417/dial_3_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg](kepfeltoltes.hu/view/120417/dial_3_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg)

    Regards,
    A

  • Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 7:40 p.m.

    Giovanni,

    I will share all of the pictures I have but it needs some time to do it.
    Thanks for your patience.

    Regards,

    Á

  • Master
    17 Apr 2012, 7:43 p.m.

    Áron, when We first recently discovered (with help from David Seyffer) that some Pallwebers actually left the manufature in Schaffhausen with "painted dials" I started investigating the subject of Pallweber dials.

    What I can tell you, is that in all likelyhood this trail of "which dial" will probably not help much, in identifying a specific watch. best of all, you could if we are lucky discover that it was a batch of 10 or whatever dials.

    I base this on my findings of already well in excess of 15 differnt Pallweber dials in existance. Some with the silver ring insert in the top hour window - and some without.

    I am travelling and not at home now, to be able to share my information, but will do this on my return Thursday.

    Your dial from the photo and the finish therof, appears to be a rework and painted, not enamel. Do I see this correctly?

    Regards,
    Mark

  • Graduate
    17 Apr 2012, 7:53 p.m.

    Dear Mark,

    many thanks for your reply and I'm waiting for your further opinion based on your database. You can see well the dial is not enamel and someone has tried to wipe or repaint it. Connected to the silver ring applied dials my experience is that they were used in case of the Pallweber I, II only. I also own 2 pieces of the same type.

    Have a nice trip,

    Á

  • Connoisseur
    17 Apr 2012, 11:41 p.m.

    Dear Áron,
    the dial has some similarities with another mine with a rare silver dial.
    Here the picture:
    i1069.photobucket.com/albums/u473/costi92/IMG-20120417-00015.jpg
    Regards

    Giovanni

  • Master
    18 Apr 2012, 12:35 a.m.

    Giovani, that is a beautiful example in both case and dial. Does that example have extra jewels in the movement to emphasise the grade or was that not an option on the Pallweber movement?

  • Graduate
    18 Apr 2012, 7:12 a.m.

    Dear Áron,
    the dial has some similarities with another mine with a rare silver dial.
    Here the picture:
    i1069.photobucket.com/albums/u473/costi92/IMG-20120417-00015.jpg
    Regards

    Giovanni[/QUOTE]

    Dear Giovanni,

    very nice piece thanks for sharing this picture. The movement is the "usual" one with gilt brass plate and bridges I guess, isn't it?

    Regards,
    Á

  • Connoisseur
    18 Apr 2012, 7:51 a.m.

    Yes it is a Pallweber III, 18k, n. 10xxx (1885) with the "usual" gilt brass plate and bridges. Interesting is the unusual silver dial.
    Regards
    Giovanni

  • Graduate
    18 Apr 2012, 8:35 a.m.

    The one I have posted with the similar dial is also in gold case, so I guess this type of dials belonged to expensive pieces.

  • Graduate
    18 Apr 2012, 8:39 a.m.

    And the "leaf" motive on your dial is supposedly made of gold as I experienced from my previous pieces.

  • Connoisseur
    18 Apr 2012, 10:23 p.m.

    Yes Áron, the "leaf" motive is made of gold and probably this type of dials belonged to expensive pieces.
    Someone knows other similar dials?

  • Connoisseur
    18 Apr 2012, 11:39 p.m.

    Dear Áron, when you can, please post the other pictures (movement and dial) of Pallweber I without number. Many thanks

  • Graduate
    19 Apr 2012, 5:56 a.m.

    Hi Giovanni,

    here you can see the dial of the Pallweber I.

    Best regards,
    Á