Need clarification on what a "Pot" dial is??
uk.ask.com/wiki/Vitreous_enamel
Ask your watchmaker if the feet are original to the dial. Good luck fella.
Need clarification on what a "Pot" dial is??
uk.ask.com/wiki/Vitreous_enamel
Ask your watchmaker if the feet are original to the dial. Good luck fella.
Update on watch
Just Spoke to my watchmaker:
He has confirmed that the dial/hands were refinished by himself. It is the original dial to the watch, and has the original feet. He said that everything else is also original to the watch. (I trust him, I might add).
So we know the following now:
Can anyone put a potential value to the watch? Just curious.
Thanks for the info Adam....
Do you mean he refinished the complete dial surface or simply the infill on the arabics and hand kit? If he redone the complete dial surface he done a decent enough job, could you try to rmember to ask if/how the original dial surface was signed (with or without Schafhausen wording or cartouche). Might be intresting for followers of early wristlet pieces.
Your Welcome!
The next time I speak with him ... I will ask him. He's a bit older and only works on Fridays.
Any idea of Value of Watch?
See my above post labeled "Update on watch," for specs. Just curious if anyone might be able estimate the potential value of the watch? Thanks!
Any idea of Value of Watch?
The dial surface being original or not will affect the price Adam, it really needs to be determined if the whole dial surface is new because obviously that would indicate a signature was lost or if the dial itself is enamel and the dial face was never actually signed.Some specific vintage are so impacted by non original dial surface that they can easilly spend years roaming the internet looking for a victim whilst the original twin changed hands a dozen times.
Any idea of Value of Watch?
I don't believe the dial face was ever signed. It's my understanding that the dial is original (from discussion with watchmaker), and was just refinished ... ie, numerals.
Any idea of Value of Watch?
It would help if the dial was Enamel Adam..if you could determine this then not only is your watch spec more complete but it may help the forum readers understand the early happenings through a greater field of view. It's why we are all here (over and above pricing).
Any idea of Value of Watch?
I understand your point of view. Just was hoping to get some kind of ballpark figure.
By the time you get a price we will ...
have run out of space.... LOL
Any idea of Value of Watch?
"I understand your point of view. Just was hoping to get some kind of ballpark figure"
Perhaps you don't understand my point of view Adam... With typeing a post specifically asking if you could ask your watchmaker if the dial was pot i was rather hopeing to discover if the dial was original or not, given that you spoke with him the opportunity was somehow lost. Having explained that non original dials can sometimes be capable of attracting no bidders then i was hopeing you would catch my drift with regard to the importance of the dial to the costings. No worries...If the dial is not pot then you would have to ask yourself why it's whiter than a spooked Polar Bear in a white-out (something's amiss) and so the ballpark value will be whatever the gold content weighs. If the dial is pot then the lack of signature is not so imperative and the value is at the very least 40%£ more than the gold content value.
Maybe not foregone but
I don't see from the pictures a homogeneus surface on the dial, in other words, this is a sign of last phase dial production - polissage, you shouldn't see that in an enamel dial.
Tampographe workings shows approximation (see "8", "2") no enamel dial would have such clean spaces between black and gold left in many numerals).
And this just to start :)
Regards,
roberto
this is getting a lot over-analyzed
The dial has been redone, as have the hands. The watch is not a valuable piece and the market pricing is not an exact science, especially with so many amateurs buying what they don't fully understand. A watch like this might sell on eBay in the range of 400-800 USD, and some "retail" dealers might try to get a little over 1000 USD for one. There might be some that sell for less than the low figure and occasionally a dealer will try to get more, and an unsuspecting buyer will pay that for it.
Anything else is pseudo-science. There is no "true" pricing standard. A watch of this size and age, with an unsigned dial (whether the watch never had a signature on the dial), is not that valuable, and one with a redone dial/hands is less so.
Adam, we can't "appraise" specific watches here. And anyone can claim they "know" the value or pricing information, which can't be the case in an imperfect world without precise economic models. Some people may differ from what I said, but the only test is what a willing buyer is willing to pay to a willing seller. Any further debate is over-analysis.
And the dial indeed has been redone, and that does matter.
Good luck,
Michael