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Please identify this model

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  • last reply by slopingsteve 18 Mar 2018
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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    9 Mar 2018, 1:34 p.m. 9 Mar 2018, 1:34 p.m.
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    Hello there, 

    I just got this piece (passed family)
    Its in a bad condition. 

    Does anyone know what kind of model this is? 
    I know its a dress watch, but what year? 

    Hope you guys can help me out with this. 

    Thanks in advance, 

    Karel de Vries

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    Nelson Herring
    Master 2717 posts
    9 Mar 2018, 2:55 p.m. 9 Mar 2018, 2:55 p.m.
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    Sorry I can't tell you what model this one is, but I'll just say the lugs have a nice and interesting shape to them.
    Also, it is interesting to see the stainless caseback and the gold (or gold plated) case, although that is sometimes seen with IWC.

    Nelson

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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3201 posts
    9 Mar 2018, 4:39 p.m. 9 Mar 2018, 4:39 p.m.
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    Your watch is either a Cal 83 or Cal 88. 
    Without seeing the movement, and serial number in the caseback, I cannot tell you more. 

    Cal 83 was made 1930 - 1947 
    Cal 88 was made 1946 - 1964 

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    9 Mar 2018, 11:42 p.m. 9 Mar 2018, 11:42 p.m.
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    Hello Nelson & Mark thanks for the reply and information. 
    I found the serial number at the caseback. 

    Might be the number: 1268473 
    Other number on the watch itself: 473

    Hope this will work out.

    Thanks in advance. 

    Have a nice weekend.

    Karel de Vries

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    9 Mar 2018, 11:50 p.m. 9 Mar 2018, 11:50 p.m.
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    I know, needs a restoration and a clean up.
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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3201 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 4:24 a.m. 10 Mar 2018, 4:24 a.m.
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    Hi Karel
    Well, I stand corrected, it is neither Cal 83 nor 88.  
    I am not familiar with this movement at all. 

    The caseback serial dates the watch to 1953. 

    Are you able to read the movement number between the plates?
    It is right there at the pointer of the regulator. This will aid in identifying the Caliber. 

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 10:22 a.m. 10 Mar 2018, 10:22 a.m.
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    Hi
    It appears to be a cal 70.  IWC manufatured 4,800 cal 70 in 1945/46.  It is the first time i see one.

    kareldevries has written:

    I know, needs a restoration and a clean up.
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    Mr. Bill B
    Apprentice 4 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 11:19 a.m. 10 Mar 2018, 11:19 a.m.
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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 12:23 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 12:23 p.m.
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    Billakos7777_ has written:

    /site_media/ckeditor_images/59df96ea05f54a6d08beeda34beaa7af.jpgAny help with this one g/site_media/ckeditor_images/107e05437595a62c544df95298b3ea26.jpgys ? Can anyone identify this :

    This one is beyond help.  It is as fake as an $8 bill.

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 2:08 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 2:08 p.m.
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    Mark Fleminger has written:

    Hi Karel
    Well, I stand corrected, it is neither Cal 83 nor 88.  
    I am not familiar with this movement at all. 

    The caseback serial dates the watch to 1953. 

    Are you able to read the movement number between the plates?
    It is right there at the pointer of the regulator. This will aid in identifying the Caliber. 

    Hello Mark, 

    Thanks for helping me out. 

    The movementnumber is 1100852. 
    Clepsydra thinks its a cal 70. 1945/1946.

    Kind Regards, 

    Karel de Vries

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 2:12 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 2:12 p.m.
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    Hi again
    Movement #1100852 is indeed a cal 70 from 1945.

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 2:13 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 2:13 p.m.
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    Hello Clepsydra, 

    Thanks! is it still the cal 70. with the movementnumber: 1100852?

    Thanks in advance.

    Kind regards,

    Karel de Vries

    clepsydra has written:

    Hi
    It appears to be a cal 70.  IWC manufatured 4,800 cal 70 in 1945/46.  It is the first time i see one.

    kareldevries has written:

    I know, needs a restoration and a clean up.
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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 2:21 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 2:21 p.m.
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    Hello Clepsydra, 

    Thank you very much!
    Now i finally know what i have.

    Last but not least, do you know where i can find good information about the cal 70.
    I can´t seem to find it. Not even sales (so i dont even know what its worth). 
    Always nice to know. 

    Kind regards, 

    Karel de Vries

    clepsydra has written:

    Hi again
    Movement #1100852 is indeed a cal 70 from 1945.

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 3:48 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 3:48 p.m.
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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3201 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 4:17 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 4:17 p.m.
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    Nicely done Tony, you certainly nailed that one. 
    I tried looking up Cal 73 due to the movement inscription, but could find a match. 
    Well done sir   :o) 

    Karel, you have something unusual indeed. 

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    10 Mar 2018, 4:57 p.m. 10 Mar 2018, 4:57 p.m.
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    Hi there,

    Thanks Mark & Tony for your effort and results!
    I really appreciate it.

    Have a nice weekend.

    Kind regards, 

    Karel de Vries

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    Mr. Karel de Vries
    Graduate 11 posts
    11 Mar 2018, 2:59 p.m. 11 Mar 2018, 2:59 p.m.
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    Hi There, 

    Yeah, still having a few questions. 
    1. What will the cost be of restauration by IWC (just indication). 
    2. What is this watch worth (without certificate) and with or without restauration (just indication).

    Sorry to bother you again. 

    Kind regards, 

    Karel de Vries

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    11 Mar 2018, 6:57 p.m. 11 Mar 2018, 6:57 p.m.
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    Your watch does not need restoration.  IMO, the case and dial should remain as they are.  The movement will most likely need to be cleaned and oiled, which I recommend if you intend wearing it and use it to measure time.  Assuming that all parts are in working order, any good watchmaker should be able to do that.
    IWC's Certicate of Authenticity would be much too expensive for that watch, probably 1/5 of its market value.  Just my $.02.

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