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    Stephen Cosh
    Master 1204 posts
    6 Nov 2008, 6:55 a.m. 6 Nov 2008, 6:55 a.m.
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    i am considering buying my first antique pocket watch.
    the seller guarantees it's an IWC but i just wanted to make sure.
    movement is inscribed "S & Co, Peerless” # 156884.
    i know s&co shipped iWC watches.
    any chance it could be fake?

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    Stephen Cosh
    Master 1204 posts
    5 Nov 2008, 6:45 p.m. 5 Nov 2008, 6:45 p.m.
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    pics of watch...

    i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/stevog5/4_29iw4.jpg?t=1225917860

    i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq307/stevog5/4_29iw1.jpg?t=1225917890

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    Michael Friedberg
    Connoisseur 11468 posts
    6 Nov 2008, 4:25 a.m. 6 Nov 2008, 4:25 a.m.
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    I wouldn't do it, given an unsigned dial

    Hi Stephen,

    Peerless was stamped on IWC movements imported to the UK by Stauffer (S & Co.), the UK importer. But also there were Peerless and S & Co. stampings on non- IWC movements, since they were the importer's marks and the importer used them on other brands as well. You can read more in the archives about this.

    I can't 100% tell from your movement photo, but it's possible there is an IWC Calibre 57 movement here (many pocket watches look similar). I'm not completely sure, but you might want to compare a "head on" image with those shown in the Vintage Catalog project (www.iwcforum.com/Vintage_Catalogs.html)

    This watch should be very inexpensive --it is common and this is not a special nor high-grade movement (look at the screws around the chatons). As such, why settle for a generic dial? Sure, some were made that made that way, but for a watch of this quality why not get at least an IWC dial? Also, while the Cal. 57 --if it's that-- is serviceable and still good, why not look for a more "interesting" movement? For less than 500 GBP you should be able to do much better.

    Regards,
    Michael

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    Mr. Andrew Thomas
    Master 5816 posts
    5 Nov 2008, 4:55 p.m. 5 Nov 2008, 4:55 p.m.
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    I like learning

    from the advice given here.....

    • Andrew
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    Bill B.
    Master 6724 posts
    6 Nov 2008, 8:05 p.m. 6 Nov 2008, 8:05 p.m.
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    +1 here too. nt

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    Stephen Cosh
    Master 1204 posts
    6 Nov 2008, 11:15 a.m. 6 Nov 2008, 11:15 a.m.
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    thanks michael

    really appreciate that.
    i'll let it be.
    stephen

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    Mr. Ralph Ehrismann
    Master 1423 posts
    9 Nov 2008, 6 a.m. 9 Nov 2008, 6 a.m.
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    Just an other pocket watchers idea...

    I got some pocket watches too.

    The movementi IWC, this is clear. signed S&Co. This was the UK distributor for IWC. So no problem.
    The time this movement was built, it was common to have unsigned dials.

    To se if the case is original we would need a picture of the inside of the back(s) with it's serial number.
    As it seems the movement is not 100% fitting the case, there could be some doubts on it.
    But the shape of the case is typical for the UK case of that time.

    regards

    Ralph

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