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Pocket watch number 22!

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    Michael Friedberg
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    25 Aug 2011, 8:38 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 8:38 p.m.
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    No --this isn't the 22nd watch in someone's collection. Nor is it a calibre 22. Rather, this watch appears to be number 22….not 22 out of an edition, but the 22nd watch produced by IWC under the so-called “second numbering” in the 1880s. It’s not mine –but rather it was recently acquired by another forum member with my help. And herein lies a story.

    Recently a non-descript pocket watch appeared on eBay. The dial had no signature, and the case was gun metal. It could not have looked more ordinary.

    www.iwcforum.com/website/cal32-dial.jpg

    But a collector noticed it and wrote me, asking me what it could be. It looked a little bit like my rare Calibre 33 Elgin from about 1883. The so-called Elgin I’s (and no one knows for sure what they’re called that) come in four calibres: 32, 33, 34 and 35. They’re really rare, and I see more Jones from the 1870s for sale. The Elgin I in my collection is this one:

    www.iwcforum.com/website/7mvt.jpg

    The conclusion I reached was that this most likely was an Elgin I calibre 32. It basically was the same layout as my better-finished cal. 33, but inverted.

    www.iwcforum.com/website/cal32-1.jpg

    But –wait—what was the number on the watch? Mine is 5083; plenty low, and the consequence of the so-called “second numbering”. This one was a little difficult to read, even in better light:

    www.iwcforum.com/website/cal32-2.jpg

    I still couldn’t read it well, but up-close it reveals something very interesting:

    www.iwcforum.com/website/cal32-3.jpg

    Yes, indeed –this is number 22 of the second numbering.

    And of course for the pocket watch collector this watch is alluring. The collector wrote me and asked if I was interested in acquiring it for my collection. He said he didn’t want to stand in my way. And, while I didn’t have a caliber 32 in my collection, I didn’t want to spend more than a certain amount –-probably less than the watch would sell for. So I told my friend to “go for it”. And he did –with great luck.

    Congratulations!

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    Mr. Alan Ross
    Master 5742 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 8:58 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 8:58 p.m.
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    I know that "someone" is very happy indeed with his purchase. Quite a unique find. Congrats !

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    Bill B.
    Master 6724 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:30 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:30 p.m.
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    Mazel tov! I know the new owner has to be in 7th heaven. Good story.

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:37 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:37 p.m.
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    It is a catch 22. :)

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    Mr. argiris develegas
    Master 2973 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:40 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:40 p.m.
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    Luck or fate congratulations to both.

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    Greg Chalk
    Master 2077 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:41 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:41 p.m.
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    What are the chances of finding nos 1-21?
    Whilst congratulations to the friend I am staggered you let it pass. Whilst all numbers are unique finding such a low number is unique in itself and whether its value as a model is four or five figures the sheer fact that it's number 22 puts a premium on it, surely. You have a good friend who offered you a chance and was prepared to walk away from it.

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    dzul
    Master 3985 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:42 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:42 p.m.
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    What a great story..."somebody" has got to be one happy collector!

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    Michael Friedberg
    Moderator 11468 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 9:48 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 9:48 p.m.
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    The UK Greg has written:

    What are the chances of finding nos 1-21?
    Whilst congratulations to the friend I am staggered you let it pass. Whilst all numbers are unique finding such a low number is unique in itself and whether its value as a model is four or five figures the sheer fact that it's number 22 puts a premium on it, surely. You have a good friend who offered you a chance and was prepared to walk away from it.

    I like to think there might have been two good friends there...I indeed have a good friend who offered me the chance and was prepared to walk away from it. And also I was trying to do the right thing, too. I have two dozen of these babies, more or less, and a very similar but not identical calibre. No one can or should have them all.

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    roberto muraglia
    Master 2108 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 10:13 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 10:13 p.m.
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    What a joy for the proud new owner, he's a Gentleman too, I can tell!

    Congratulations dear - omissis - and thank you Michael for sharing with us!

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    Mr. Andrew Thomas
    Master 5816 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 10:20 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 10:20 p.m.
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    Fantastic story and with a great ending.

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    Greg Chalk
    Master 2077 posts
    25 Aug 2011, 10:46 p.m. 25 Aug 2011, 10:46 p.m.
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    Not doubting for one minute the mutual friendship, I hope you were able to discuss values and advise a threshold that made sense given it's number. Likewise I hope the purchase price was within the scope of the conversation. Obviously no need to reply on that score
    I have a friend interested in the original moon phase Portofino and when I clapped eyes on one for sale I let him know but he declined and it was too rich for my pockets anyway. Likewise I mentioned on this forum that I was considering one of two LE watches and within days both went, so lesson learnt.

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    KS Low
    Master 585 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 3:26 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 3:26 a.m.
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    This morning I received an email from that happy fellow forum member and he was absolutely thrilled to have this amazing piece to his already-wonderful collection. Thanks for sharing the story Michael!

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    Roman Belov
    Master 839 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 5:09 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 5:09 a.m.
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    Perfect watch and very nice story. Thank you for sharing!

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    Isobars
    Master 6256 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 5:28 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 5:28 a.m.
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    Very Nice Michael...Thanks, for sharing.

    Wish IWC would give us some new pocket watches.

    Cheers from Isobars.

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    Greg Steer
    Master 2688 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 5:45 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 5:45 a.m.
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    Great acquisition.

    Cheers from the cellar

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    Shing
    Master 2998 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 5:53 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 5:53 a.m.
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    many gems abound - and not just the pocket watch - in this story. thanks for sharing Michael.

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    Shing
    Master 2998 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 5:59 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 5:59 a.m.
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    Not sure if this is on the same point isobars or something u already know, in case this helps: I found out recently IWC still sells "new old stock" pocket watches as discussed in this earlier thread.

    Isobars has written:

    Wish IWC would give us some new pocket watches.

    Cheers from Isobars.

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    MANISH KUKREJA
    Connoisseur 232 posts
    26 Aug 2011, 6:42 a.m. 26 Aug 2011, 6:42 a.m.
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    Lovely episode... This is one true life story for the old saying, Believe & you will succeed.
    All the best to your friend. He's one good collector with a very good eye...
    MK

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