Real watch not in museum, early c64, 1000. fl. with roses

As I am probably not allowed to post "virtual museum" posts, I show here just
a simple, nice lady pocket watch.

It is a savonette (hunter) with a nice decoration. I is normally called 1000
fleuers when it shows up with just the many many nice dots.

The watch shown includes additionally some flowers, here roses. It is hard to
say if the flowerse where once filled with laquer or enamel or nothing.

The dial of this watch is not white but "ecrus", and has blue numbers, brown
seconds ring and numbering and gold minutes indicators....

The movement is an early calibre 64 of the second serie produced (sorry I
could not find on of the first serie of 300 pieces produced.)

I hope you enjoy it.

Watch77

P.S. Sorry for placing my copy rights to the pictures in strange positions,
but I find too many of my pictures in fantastic and fascinating pocket watch
homepages, with just cutted away information where the pictures where taken
from and placing theire name under the pictures.

A beautiful watch!

Thank you Ralph for showing

An absolute little jewel !

The dial too, is really amazing and is in itself a piece of art.

Thanks for sharing Ralph.

Hi Ralph

I saw your pictures of the caliber 64 today. What a wonderful watch. A lot
of the ladies pocket watches have wonderful and special attribrutes and I
wonder that some collectors are not so interested in these items. What I want
to know is the differenc between the first and second generation of the C. 64.
I know the difference between older and younger movements (e.g.different click
springs)) or is it the different movement hight?

Hans-G.

Dear Hans Georg.

Yes Layies watches are much underestimated. In the 1930's it was the aim to
build the smallest accurate (+/-) well running movement.

The watchmaker realy needed ultra fine tolls and hand feeling to build such
movements. These tiny watchs; you can buy them now for few bucks.

I sometimes think, today the size and glamour is more important than the
heart of the watches. When you compare a modern wrist movement with a tiny
lady wrist watch, you compare a bulldozer with filigran watch technology.
(Sorry to all movement developer, they have other aims today: Reliability,
fast and
easy assembly of the movement. Manufacturing time is now the most expensiv
part of a movement. In the early time it was 1/3 for the material, 1/3 for the
machining of the parts and 1/3 for the assembly and adjustment for the
movement. Maybe the cost distribution for a simple movement is today not much
differernt, and the price for a movement is 10 times higher than 100 years
ago. The cost for labour I think is now 1000 times higher than 100 years ago,
so what is to do....)

Sorry this was not the question....

I grabbed in my documents. For the the 2nd version of the c.64 (ver. 1904) a
height of 4mm
(4.1mm Fournitures #7) and a diameter of 27 mm (26.5mm Fournitures #7) are
indicated. (Diameter = 12 lin.)

For the earler versions (1890/1894), I could not find a height indication.
Measuring makes it to
H=5mm (4.9mm) and a diameter of 12 1/2 lin. (28.2mm). For 1890 and 1894 I
could not find a difference with my rough tools

Digging in my garbage bin I even found ot the bottom some the c.63/64
movements and watches, ready to go.

A funny thing is: Most of them do not have a seconds hand. So if c.63 or c.64
is not important for the position of the seconds indicator, only for the
mechanism to set the time: "push button" or "lever".

A mor philosophic question is, why there are no seconds hands: Because the
watch was not accurate enough or that the wearer did not realy care about
seconds (nor the time)

regards

Ralph

Watch77, this is the million dollar question!

"A more philosophic question is, why there are no seconds hands? Because the
watch was not accurate enough or that the wearer did not realy care about
seconds (nor the time)"

Hi Ralph!

I had the discussion with Friederich Wagener about the hidden sec.. One of my
Lep. c.63 has it, wht is quite often, but another Peerless Sav. c.69 has also
no sec.hand ?!

It would be interesting how many calibers are known with this missing second
hand!?