• Master
    11 Mar 2019, 7:53 p.m.

    IWC has never - with only one exception - supplied timepieces with chronometer
    certification, the reason can be found in the 1972 catalog, see
    scans.Nevertheless, a model with chronometer certificate was delivered in the
    mid 90s, but why ?

    A fantastic watch with a JCL based manufactory movement. These movements have
    also been used for a few other models, but not with a chronometer certificate.

    The reason for this single model with chronometer certificate is not clarified
    yet.

    If someone knows the reason, please let me know.

    Thanks in advance and kind regards

  • Connoisseur
    11 Mar 2019, 10:20 p.m.

    Sorry Heiko

    IWC sold loads of chronometer rated pocket watches rated at Kew/Teddington,
    Neuchatel, Geneva and Leipzig. For some time IWC was the manufacturer, which
    submitted more watches for chronometer ratings in Neuchatel than any other
    company.

    IWC refrained from submitting watches for chronometer trials in the nineteen
    thirties when the chronometer tests lowered the hurdles and Rolex and Omega so
    were enabled from the 1940ies onwards to obtain chronometer ratings for
    watches from normal serial production.

    After WW II most IWC school watches were rated as chronometers.

    Regards

    Th. Koenig

  • Master
    12 Mar 2019, 9:12 a.m.

    Hello Thomas,

    Thanks for the interesting details.

    I referred to IWC catalogs from the 70s to the 90s. Within this time period,
    there are references in some catalogs like this:

    < We do not sell watches with chronometer-certificates >

    In catalogs before that time, until 1911, I could found no evidences about
    chronometers.

    Also searches for IWC chronometers in the dissertation of Dr. David Seyffer
    gave no hints, possibly overlooked ?!

    - Were the mentioned pocket watches sold directly by IWC or produced by IWC
    for other companies according to their demands ?

    - Has IWC commissioned the certificates

    - Were there any customers who wanted to have chronometer-certificates that
    IWC commissioned on customer request?

    - As far as I know, this is similar for school watches. IWC has only supplied
    the Ebauches and possibly also cases. Those watches were not sold by IWC and
    the chronometer-certificate includes the numbers of the school watches, not an
    IWC number.

    Is it possible to determine the time periods, when IWC Chronometer, no matter
    for which customer, were produced and when not (anymore)?

    That would be very interesting.

    Regards

    Heiko

  • Master
    12 Mar 2019, 6:51 p.m.

    Hallo Heiko,

    I believe the problem here is the definition of chronometer. : there is no
    general accepted definition.

    The watches , or often only the movements, sent to the astronomical
    observatries of Neuchatel, Geneva and Kew were at the end of the 19th and
    early 20th century , only pocket watches. IWC sent in cal. 71/72, 52/53 and
    65/66. The testing procedure was very long and severe. The longest period in
    Kew lasted 45 days( Kew A test) and the demands for receiving the certificate
    were even different between the observatories. There were watches which
    received a certificate from Geneva but were disapproved by Kew. Because the
    restrictions at Kew were very hard to meet and therefore a certificate
    granted by Kew was seen as the ultimate proof of accuracy for a brand. The
    different watch manufacturers made the restrictions to call their watches a
    chronometer less tight, simply because no international standard value and
    procedure existed. In 1907 IWC ,sold a number of Luzern Schutzenuhren with a
    so called 'Gangschein', a paper delivered for each watch indicating the
    results of a short test period( 5-7 days) in which the particular watch had
    been tested in a few positions. Such 'certificate' was also delivered with the
    Scarabaeus calibre 982 pocket watch in the 1980ies. The weak point is of
    course that the watch manufacturer tests his own watches and provides its own
    certificate. The Ingenieur ref.3521 with JLC movement was as far as I know the
    only watch which was offered for testing according COSC requirements. The
    independent COSC (Control Officel Suisse des Chronometres) was founded by 5
    watchmaking cantons in Switzerland in 1973. Probably the most known brand
    using the COSC criteria is Rolex.. However, these criteria are much lesser
    tight than those of any observatory. Moreover, the criteria have been modified
    several times. IWC reacted sometimes by stating : we use or own criteria,
    stressing that the IWC testing delivered a 'very precise watch' meeting the
    accuracy of every demanding customer. In terms of daily practise, this is
    certainly true. In terms of horolgy the observatory tests have not been
    superseeded until now.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    13 Mar 2019, 7:42 a.m.

    Thank you very much for the Cronometer details, Adrian.

    I believe the problem here is the definition of chronometer. : there is no
    general accepted definition.

    That hits the nail => I have learned to use the time context when Cronometers
    are involved.

    Regards

    Heiko

  • Connoisseur
    13 Mar 2019, 9:06 p.m.

    Hello Heiko

    IWC submitted watches for observatory ratings from 1894 through 1948 (From
    1925 onwards only few were tested).

    IWC produced all these watches, regulated most of them and sold them through
    their normal sales channels. Of course all were pocket watches. They were not
    shown in the normal price lists, but a special catalogue did exist. A
    chronometer rated first class commanded a premium of CHF 180 while a normal
    silver watch was offered at CHF 60. IWC offered as well watches regulated to
    observatory standards, but not officially rated externally. But those were not
    offered as "chronometer"

    The word "chronometer" was protected by law in Switzerland until 1915 and
    after 1932. Until 1945 the observatory ratings, especially the first class,
    were really tough, results published and prices for the best performers
    awarded (IWC never got a price for the simple reason that prices were only
    awarded to manufacturers from the same canton; as there was no observatory in
    the.canton of Schaffhausen no prize could be awarded to IWC). From 1945
    onwards the ratings turned into sales events. And IWC made this decline of the
    chronometer certificate a topic in the adverts you showed,

    Regards

    Th. Koenig

  • Master
    14 Mar 2019, 8:24 a.m.

    Very interesting details, thanks Thomas.

    Regards

    Heiko