What's the question? Surely you can tell whether the movement has a rotor and is Cal 854 rather than a Handwound Cal 89. If you wind it until it the crown can go no further, it's manual Cal 89.
Thank you! It should be automatic then, since there no stop when I wind the crown. But shouldn´t it have a text "AUTOMATIC" on the dial if is automatic?
And is it possible to determine what year it is made?
Can you take the watch to a watchmaker and have him open the case? It would help to get all the numbers inside the case lid, and also on the movement. With them, we can identify the model and the movement, and most likely the year.
I have little doubt this is an 810A, but when "IWC" was on the dial most of these models were renamed as 1810. But the 1810 also had a date, and also normally were not with blue dials. See, for example, this reference from the 1975 dealers' workbook:
There also were similar models with Cal. 89 movements, although with a different reference number.
Part of the problem is that the mid-1970s were a period of upheaval for the Swiss watch industry, and IWC as well. A lot of dials were placed on models, some with different movements. It makes things interesting ;)
irregardless of what is housed inside the watch....the dial's been re-done.
Blue dials are on the road to catching black dials in that there are now more around than had ever been factory produced
I'm not sure the IWC factory produced any blue dials. They were externally sourced but I suspect you are right insofar that there are more blue dials out there than those fitted by IWC. From my experience of branding and brand management, IWC was not very strict in its control of the brand and corporate signature. The variances in how the script was depicted may indicate different dial manufacturers and downright fraud. This poor control would have encouraged counterfeiting in other high value goods sectors.
'I'm not sure the IWC factory produced any blue dials. They were externally sourced'...
Just a figure of speech Rave...externally sourced dial companies don't produce watches..the iwc factory does.. when the dial heads thier way and Schaffhausen never produced the watch above looking just so. They may have gone blue on both 89 and 854 810's for the japanese but of course that was a different blue and the watch being blue is'nt exactly part of the problem...it would still have a problem in any other factory produced colour.
'The variances in how the script was depicted may indicate different dial manufacturers and downright fraud'..
...or the owner fancying a blue makeover on a tired dial.
Thank you for all your comments! I will take the watch to a watchmaker and have him open the case. Hopefully we´ll be able to establish year of making and if the dial is a makeover.
Here's a reference 810 which does have a manual wind Calibre 89 movement:
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I incclude some pictures from inside: It seems to be a r810 with a c854. And I hope the dial is original?
Is it the serialnr 1847094? And there is also ingraved by hand 17498 with a signature afterwards
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Hello,
Is there a sign on the cover to know that this watch is the origin manufacture or it's not the copy one.
Thanks
All looks fine.
Many watchmakers do those engraving by hand if they serviced watches.
My estimation is, it is the date of a service => 17th april 1998.
Regards
HEBE
A stands for Automatic
D Stands for Date
Also the Yacht Club Ref 811 exists in both versions (Automatic and Manual wind c.89)
The Ingineur only exists as A or AD
Regards
Ralph
P.S: I think the <17498> is the date when the watch was once revisioned.
17.April 1998
regards
Ralph
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