• 4 Apr 2020, 5:19 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 14 :

    After the modern pocketwatch yesterday, I wanted to continue with something
    old. Very old.

    As we have splendid spring weather here, flowers start to pop up, so I wanted
    to post something with a flower on the dial.

    A Pallweber.

    I have a few Pallwebers in my collection as you can see, and tomorrow I will
    post a very rare, very old Pallweber I.

    But for today it is a Elgin II, cal 42 from 1885 in a silver case.

    Pallweber watches came in a lot of different dial variations, even on
    different languages, German, French, English, Chinese, Russian and even in
    Dutch.

    Also there is not always the name of the brand written on the dial ( I will
    show later some different ones ).

    Even Pallweber watches were made with "blank" dials so artists could make a
    painting on it, custom made. There is one in the museum that shows a dial like
    that. More also on that type of dial in a later post.

    There is a fantastic thread on the forum already 8 years old with plenty of
    information on the Pallweber watches ;

    forum.iwc.com/t/pallweber-nr-554/2309/

    Here is my first Pallweber post, enjoy.

    The Pallweber collection

  • Master
    4 Apr 2020, 5:20 p.m.

    As Tonny writes, there were many different dials fitted to the Pallwebers.
    However, for whatever reason dials with flowers were quite popular.

    I have a number of Pallwebers that depict flowers on the dial - and here is an
    example from my collection wihich has flowers on the dial. This watch is
    currently undergoing restoration and is subject of an ongoing discussion with
    Schaffhausen as to the authenticty of the dial. Note, the before and after
    pictures. where one can see that my master case maker has constucted a new
    bezel for the Pallweber, given the original bezel was missing.

    Before (sans bezel) :

    The dial has a magnificent floral arrangement on it - and bears the
    International Watch Company logo on it.

    After (with newly manufactured bezel)

    Of course, given that these enamel dials are extremly fragile, and to prevent
    damage to the original dial my Case Maker uses this blank dial (more on this
    in a later Pallweber post) during his fitting. As you see here, we were pretty
    succesfull and the new bezel fits like a charm.

    However, the Pallweber that I wish to share with you today is very different
    and to best of my knowledge also very unique / scarce.

    The Watch

    When this watch first came up for sale on the internet, I was fairly convinced
    that it must be a re-cased Pallweber movement. I had never seen "in the steel"
    so to say, a Full Hunter Pallweber execution, let alone a Half Hunter (albeit
    that all Pallweber movements be it type I, II, or III, are all savonette -
    meaning the crown is
    at the 3 index postion).

    However, the more I studied the case and the movement, the more convinced I
    became that I was looking at a genuine IWC cased pallweber movement. So once I
    convinced myself that is genuine and a unique piece, I moved to secured it. I
    then took it to Schaffhausen for verification - had my gamble paid off?

    David Seyffer IWC Museum Curator confirmed that this was also for him, a
    first. Investigation into the archives confirms that this watch was sold on
    the 30th of October 1885 to the then most important IWC reseller in the UK,
    namely Weil & Harburg, of London.

    They in turn sold it to _ Perry Edwards & Co._of 71 Piccadilly Street
    London.

    The movement is in pristine condition

    The dial which is for most part hidden by the Hunter Case, is pretty plain and
    does not bear the IWC logo.

    As can be seen in the photo below, it has sadly two hailine cracks in the
    enamel. This dial will be restored.

    I would love it if this post gives rise to someone else posting an example of
    another Hunter or Half Hunter Pallweber in their collection.

  • 4 Apr 2020, 7:11 p.m.

    Indeed a special Pallweber, haven't seen another like that.

  • Master
    4 Apr 2020, 8:08 p.m.

    Tonny and Mark,

    Fantastic Pallweber collection!

    I took some quick snapshots from the Meis reference book : 'IWC-Uhren. Die
    Schaffhauser und ihre Geschichte'.

    The question if half hunter and full hunter watches exist for the Pallweber
    watches can be answered with : yes.

    There is an example with 2 holes for the minutes and hours and it is called by
    Meis :Halb-Savonette (half-hunter).

    But also a normal hunter is depicted.

    Adrian

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    4 Apr 2020, 8:23 p.m.

    Here is a full hunter pallweber in niello hunter execution.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    4 Apr 2020, 9:37 p.m.

    Indeed - now the hunt is on for a full hunter Pallweber. Right Tonny?

    Whats clear is that these rare pieces hardly ever come up for sale.

  • Master
    5 Apr 2020, 7:09 a.m.

    WOW what rarities and so wonderful to see!

  • Master
    7 Apr 2020, 6:48 p.m.

    Great, would definitely like to own a Pallweber some day! Thanks gentlemen!

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    Thread title has been changed from VIRTUAL POCKET WATCH MUSEUM DAY 14, Pallweber 15294.