• 3 May 2020, 3:34 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 43, the ref 5420 , Sarabaeus Fuchs.

    Today, a rare piece again, not much info on the forum either to be found.

    It is the ref 5420, also named the Scarabaeus Fuchs. It comes from the
    eighties when IWC took their best developed calibres and made a revival of the
    pocketwatches. Some came with special complcations as a thermometer, some had
    an astrological calendar and one was designed by an artist.

    Some pocketwatches had the price of a year's salary of a Geman employee.

    So for day 43, the Scarabaeus Fuchs, Scarabeus from the scarab on the case.

    The ref 5420 Scarabaeus Fuchs was a limited edition, it came in yellow gold
    with a gilded dial , limited to 250 pieces, and in Sterling silver, silver
    dial, in a limited edition of 1000.

    This was info from an IWC source on the German IWC forum. But this is where it
    got strange, inside the cover of the silver one, there is a limitation of
    x/5000.

    And we see also some silver ones that are gilded, they even have the stamp
    Plaque G10 on it. This was unknown to me and I never saw it in official
    statements.

    There were circa 20 sold in gold and something around 100 in silver ( some
    other sources say around 250 sold in silver ). How many of these were gilded
    cases ? I have no idea.

    Something to look for in the books.

    The watch itself is a large silver, heavy case, 56mm. The calibre is 16 ¾
    lignes, and 4,43 mm in height. The movement itself is gilded and hand
    engraved.

    This pocketwatch is really a piece of art, the design was done by the artist
    Ernst Fuchs, a painter and sculptor ( who also made the design for the Janus
    clock by IWC ).

    The watch comes is a wooden box and with a booklet about the artist and
    pictures behind the scene when developing the watch.

    The wooden case is made of the root of a 400 year old walnut tree, each box
    has a different pattern. The boxes came with red or blue velvet inside.

    The Scarabaeus Fuchs has the cal 982F inside ( F stands for the decoration
    pattern, I was told )

    I looked into an old catalogue from 1986 for a price comparison ; the 18K was
    34400 DM, the silver case had a price tag of 12450 DM.

    To give an idea, in the same catalogue we had the Ocean 2000, ref 3500 for
    4100 DM or the Steel ingenieur auto, ref 3506 for 3950 DM.

    The watch hasn't a crystal or plexi on the dial

    The booklet with all the info on the artist and the making of the watch.

    3 different cases for the Scarabaeus

    The stamp of a gilded silver case ( the plaque was removed )

    A limitation of 5000 ? I blurred out the serial number.

    From the booklet

  • 3 May 2020, 3:38 p.m.

    some more pictures of the Scarabaeus Fuchs post

    The artist

    The cal 982

    I am feeling watched

  • Master
    3 May 2020, 3:41 p.m.

    In a few words - really unique and rare IWC timepiece !

    And as Tonny writes here, this is really a piece of art - more art than pocket
    watch really - yet, the movement was (as Adrian wrties below) finely regulated
    and made to the highest of standards (100% pure Probus Scafusia). I don't have
    one of these in my Collection and am waiting on the right one to come along.

    Having said that, despite the limited numbers produced these pieces do come up
    for sale once in a rare while, but to-date all the pieces offered where above
    my budget.

    Each day for the last 43 days, I've tried to post a complimentary watch to
    Tonny's timepiece - and tried to do so with a twist, to make the daily post
    more intresting and to be able to spread some knowledge about these timepieces
    from Schaffhausen. So for example when Tonny shows a Lepine, I try to show
    it's sister Savonette or like yesterday the same timepiece but with some
    suttle changes.

    However, with todays' post Tonny almost had me stumped - what watch from my
    collection could compliment this piece of art? At first I thought I could opt
    to show a Cal. 982 timepiece in my collection - but then, it would not be
    anywhere nearly as nicely decorated as the movement in Tonny's pocket watch.

    But then, I saw Adrian's post, also Rave's post as well - and both of them
    ackowledge the fact that todays watch is rare , so I began to think about
    a
    watch in my collection that may qualify for this title of rare, yet at the
    same time have some artiful lines to it.

    The Watch

    The pocketwatch I share today turned up for sale in Mumbai, India. It was
    advertised as an IWC pocket watch, so turned up in the search engines which
    led me to it.

    However, todate none of my pocket watches were found in India - neither had I
    ever seen anything like this watch before in the IWC stable. Other than a
    fairly old type IWC logo on the dial ...

    ... the dial was also marked below the IWC logo, as Turler (a well known Swiss
    Retail Jeweler chain which still sells IWC timepieces today).

    It was to my eyes, with the classic lines on the case, very ART DECO
    styled
    ,
    even down to the font used for the hour markers on the dial. However, there
    was absolutely nothing about the
    stainless steel case that resembled anything I had ever seen from
    Schaffhausen.

    The photo posted was very blurry.

    Then, there was the fact that the watch had a central seconds hand. This too,
    made me extremely cautious. Why? Simply becuase the only central seconds
    pocket watches I'd ever seen from IWC were the military IWC Deck Watches.

    And then too, was the size of this pocket watch. Seller listed it as having a
    diameter of 44mm. But that large case ring around the movement would then mean
    that this movement was about 50% of that size. So a small movment, with
    central seconds (the ladies pocket watch movments C.63 and 64 did not have any
    central seconds). Probably a fake.

    I wrote to the seller asking for him to post photos of the movement and to
    send me the serial numbers. He did not respond to my email, but did post some
    more blurry photos, including one of the case back and the movement. Some
    serial numbers were visible and based on this I wrote of to Schaffhausen
    asking if they had ever seen anything like this.

    The responce was not positive. It read: " ...there have been pocket watches
    with cal 89 but with 83 I never have seen. I checked the numbers you sent; to
    be honest: I doubt if everthing is original. "

    To me, the movement looked like a Cal. 61 SC (Seconde au Centre) - however, it
    was missing the IWC logo on the long centre bridge and the serial number was
    that of a Cal. 83

    But as I said, this watch really intrigued me. I convinced my self that the
    movement could not be a fake so I got hold of Captain Vishal in Mumbai and
    asked if he could assist in securing the watch. In a saga, out of a James Bond
    movie our fearless Captain arranged to meet the buyer on a croweded Mumbai
    street cornerm, where a motorbike rider appeared, and the watch was secured in
    an otherwise fairly clandestine opperation. For sure, I did not want Tonny
    and/or Schaffhausen to think I was out on a mission buying fake IWC pocket
    watches.

    The watch finally made it's way to me, and I went to the watchmaker to open
    it.

    According to Jeroen, the case was of very high quality (but damaged) and the
    movement definately a Cal. 61 SC.

    I then wrote back to Schaffhausen, telling them I now owned this watch and
    that we had now checked and it was clear that I had previously had the wrong
    serial numbers noted from the bad photos. Schaffhausen came backed and asked
    to see the physical watch.

    The following month, I handed the watch over to IWC in Geneva, during SIHH.

    The relief came soon afterwards in the form of an email. It read:

    I checked the numbers: CONGRATULATIONS! Another really unique and rare
    IWC found it 's way to your Collection. Mov. Nr. : 990XXX = it is a Cal. 61
    that was sold to Turler. Also the case with number 104XXXX: Sold July 14th
    1941.

    The numbers are matching! Great find Mark. I think you should let the
    community know about this watch.

    Additional research showed that the archives listed this watch is in a Case
    type "Mod. No 7" especially designed for a Cal.61 movement.

    The watch has been fully restored and the case damage laser filled and
    repolished.

    So as to get an idea of the size of this pocketwatch here below it sits
    between a typical gents pocket watch and a little jewel of a C.63 ladies
    watch.

    Todate, I have not seen another one of these pieces for sale anywhere - I do
    know Tonny is still looking to locate one.

    So all in all just likes Tonny timepiece today - an extemely rare, seldom seen
    IWC pocket watch !

    In an incredible stroke of luck additional research in Schaffhuasen turned up
    recently the following catalogue

    .

    and there on page 4 is this watch advertised. The texts reads " Pocket watch
    for Doctors with a seconds in the middle"

  • Master
    3 May 2020, 4:55 p.m.

    A lot of good information on a very rare pocket watch. Thanks, Tonny.

  • Master
    3 May 2020, 5:15 p.m.

    Tonny has explained nearly all details. But there is one detail more. The
    'Fuchs Savonette' is the only IWC pocket watch that has been constructed
    wthout a crystal. The reason for this was not explained in the extensive
    booklet that came with the watch. Probably the waved surface of the dial was
    less expressive with a crystal. Here is an example in 18 kt
    gold.The
    limitation of 5000 pieces can hardly be called a limited edition. Originally
    the watch was also intended as a gift from a German political party to their
    members. This says something about the targeted customers. They were not
    collectors and often not interested in pocket atches as such. The consequence
    was that not 5000 were built but a few and that these 'gifts' disappeared in a
    drawer of the new owner. Sometimes they show up, almost always unused. About
    esthetics the opinions differ. Some find themvery 'ugly'. Others pieces of art
    ( which they
    were).Finally,
    except the very nice box, the well executed luxurious booklet, there is also a
    document indicating the rating of each individual watch.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    3 May 2020, 6:27 p.m.

    These are astounding pieces and I love the decoration of the movements as
    well. Really unique almost sculptured pocket watches without the crystal.

  • Master
    3 May 2020, 7:03 p.m.

    Du you know the SCARABAEUS basics ?
    This crazy watch has a political background.
    An SPIEGEL article from 1987 gives some hints ....

  • Master
    4 May 2020, midnight

    This, I was not aware about!

    Now, I need to dive into history of that time. Thanks for sharing Hebe.

  • Master
    4 May 2020, 4:50 a.m.

    Absolutely stunning pieces of art today gentlemen - One with Centre Seconds
    and One with None :o)