• 6 May 2020, 5:30 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 46, cal 52, 4th regiment

    I have some other early c52 in my collection, so why going after this one ?

    Well, the case is special, a special addition was made to the case, the emblem
    of the 4th regiment cavalry in the Italian army dated 1898.

    The typical helmet is executed in silver and gold.

    When you see an old IWC pocketwatch with Roman numerals, most probably it is
    from before the 20th century. In the changing of the century, you can notice
    more and more the 24H numerals added to the dial. Here you see the first 12
    hours in Roman, the hours to 24 in modern script.

    And speaking of script, I love the brand name on the dial.

    On the inside of the silver cover, there is a stamp with International Watch
    C° that You don't see often.

    There are no further markings, except for the initials A B, I would love to
    say that it was an Italian officer named Antonio Bertolucci, a member of the
    Italian part of our family, but no, it stays an unknown happy owner of a
    great watch.

    With the JWC stamp on the
    calibre.

    A picture of an officer with his helmet

  • Master
    6 May 2020, 5:34 p.m.

    It is in particular these small unique details, like an added emblem, a
    dedication or engraving, or even a crudely scratched name or intitials on a
    pocket watch (often on the inside of the rear cover), that often turn an
    otherwise ordinary timepiece like this robust Calibre 52 of Tonny's here, into
    one that has a hidden story, and a significant history,

    I too have a pocket watch in my collection, that was owned by an Italian Army
    officer (Capitano) at one time, and on which I did some research. However,
    that is a story for another day,

    In fact in my collection there are a numer of watches that have engravings on
    the inside (many where given as work jubilee gifts to employees for 20 or 25
    years of service etc,) and possibly Tonny will intitiate a post on which we
    can share some of those engravings too.

    The Watch

    However, the watch I want to share with you today to compliment Tonny's C.52
    is a watch from exactly the same year - namely 1898.

    As you have seen over the last 45 days, I always try to post a similar or
    sister watch to Tonny's and today I do the same again. So where Tonny posts a
    C.52 lepine, I compliment it with it's sister timepiece, a Cal. 53 silver
    cased savonette.

    Now, the interesting thing about this watch that first tickled my interest
    when I saw it, the listed serial number for the movement when checked with the
    Date Your IWC utlity, indicated that it was a Lepine Calibre 52 movement
    manufactured in 1897 and sold cased in 1898.

    However, of course being cased in a full hunter case (savonette) with the
    crown at the 3 position and being lever set not pin set, it could not be a
    Cal. 52.

    The case back is adorned too with the cartouche in the centre engraved.

    So a nice pocket watch for sure.

    But, the real interesting thing here was that whilst unlike Tonny's watch
    where the dial carries the International Watch Co. logo, the dial on this
    watch is unbranded.

    Against this, there was a really interesting engraving on the inside of the
    watch - and one I had not seen before.

    This clearly required some research. Who was this Baumann, and what was the
    other texts - from what I could read, K & K something ?

    Indeed after son research I learnt that it stood for :

    K aiserlicher und K oniglicher Hoflieferant

    From the governement gazette of the year
    1899....

    we find the listing (see red text box below) that our Mr. Friedrich Baumann
    was a watchmaker by appointment to the crown
    -Kaiserlicher und K oniglicher
    Hoflieferant

    Further research in the archives confirms that this Cal. IWC Savonette (as the
    C53 was then known) was sold on the 20th of June 1898, to the IWC wholesaler
    in Vienna, Mr. Leopold Lowith who then in turn sold it to Mr. Friedrich
    Baumann who kept shop at the stately address of I.Graben 7, Wien.

    This magnificent watch, with it's history needed a box and papers.

    And so it was boxed, together with all it's supporting documentation including
    and extract from the archives secured when the watch returned to Schaffhausen
    after more than a 100 years.

  • Insider
    6 May 2020, 6:55 p.m.

    Very interesting, I didn 't know that the IWC was a supplier for the italian
    army. I only knew that watches were manufactured for italian railway
    companies.

  • Master
    6 May 2020, 7:47 p.m.

    Tonny,

    The monogram 'A B' could be Amadeo Berlusconi (great grandfather of....)

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • Master
    6 May 2020, 8:07 p.m.

    Hi Tonny.

    The miitary connection is intriguing and it would be interesting to know if
    the watch is part of a batch sold directly to, or to a supplier of, the
    Italian
    Army, already with the military markings, or later to an officer who added the
    markings. Mission Impossible. ;)

  • Connoisseur
    6 May 2020, 9:44 p.m.

    Dear Tonny

    could you please provide the case No. and the movement No.?

    My notion is that this is originally not a military nor a presentation watch.

    Regards

    Th. Koenig

  • 6 May 2020, 10:13 p.m.

    Hello Thomas, I don't see this watch as a military watch, it is possible that
    is was delivered to a dealer as a standard IWC pocketwatch and the decoration
    was added on request by the officer-client.

  • Connoisseur
    7 May 2020, 10:38 a.m.

    Hi Tonny, your watch was shipped to Strade Ferrate Mediteranea, Torino, on the
    21st of July 1898. So it is in its origin - as I assumed - a service watch
    of the Italian railroad company Rete Mediterranea (RM), which at what point in
    time so ever later on was converted into a private watch.

    The case shows some peculiarities typical for RMs.

    Regards

    Thomas

  • Master
    7 May 2020, 11:34 a.m.

    The dial is typically the same as on the RM railroad watches.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    7 May 2020, 12:45 p.m.

    Absolutely amazing.

    So, a missing SF railway timepiece!

    The SF pieces are a lot more ellusive to find than RM ones.

    Another interesting and unique piece in Tonny's collection. One wonders what
    the original engraved number on the case back was - and for sure the purist in
    Adrian is saying "restore it to it's original state, Tonny".

  • Connoisseur
    7 May 2020, 12:56 p.m.

    No, Mark! It is not FS, but RM. FS came into existence only in 1905, while
    this watch was sold to RM in 1898.

    Regards

    Thomas

  • Master
    7 May 2020, 12:57 p.m.

    Understood!

  • 7 May 2020, 1:39 p.m.

    Just in time :)

    Almost took it apart ( just kidding)