• 11 May 2020, 5:07 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 51, cal 97, black dial

    Today a simple but beautiful 18K gold watch, very pure in design and with a
    black dial.

    As written before, black dials in IWC pocketwatches are greatly outnumberd by
    white, silver or gold dials.

    It has a cal 97 inside, much like the cal 95 but the cal 97 is 4.2mm high, the
    cal 95 3.2mm. My watch is from 1938.

    In an older post Ralph Ehrismann writes : "

    The C97 was built between 1930 and 1964 in totally 16200 pieces, but most of
    them were built between 1930 and 1946, only 2400 pieces was built later (600
    1955; 600 1961 and 1200 1964)
    Later (1967) the movement got an INCA shock protection, 2 jewels on the barrel
    and a new name C972 of which till 1973 3600 pieces was built. I have no
    numbers on the production after 1974; but with a gold coating instead of
    nickel it got once the new name c9720.
    The movement c9720 was also used as base for other complicated watches as
    full calendar c9721 or
    moonphase in the center c9722
    day of the year out of the center c9723 and others!"

    So not a big story, just loving the beauty of the movement and the watch
    design.

    Inside the case there is a little stamp with the number 149. No idea what this
    means, maybe others have a clue ?

  • Master
    11 May 2020, 5:07 p.m.

    A very elegant watch indeed.

    Tonny writes that Black dials in the pocket watches are not seen so often.
    This got me thinking, what watch do I have in my collection, that can
    compliment Tonny's Calibre 97 here, and play in on the rarity of that dial.

    The pocket watch I share with you today, differentiates itself from others we
    typically see here on the IWC - International Watch Company site. Also,
    whilst I don 't get to pick the "watch of the day" for the virtual museum
    posts, I am somehow hoping that by me posting this watch today, it may
    stimulate Tonny to post tomorrow a particular watch which by some unbelievable
    stroke of luck and lots of comorade, we both have in our collection. And if
    not tomorrow, then some day soon.

    The Watch

    Well to start with - its about the dial on this watch. A particularly clean
    and nice dial that I had not seen on other pocket watches.

    Yes Sir/Madam, you read that right - it's a Gubelin. A well known and
    respected Swiss High Street Jewelry House.

    And in it a movement which carries the words "Gubelin Switzerland"

    But when we compare Tonny's Cal. 97 (here below on the right) to this Gubelin
    movement on the left...

    We see that the Gubelin an exact copy of the IWC C.97, even down to the finish
    quality of the geneve stripping.

    Now, the case back of my Gubelin bears a neat engraving which dates this
    Pocket watch to around 1949.

    So what gives here? Where there already in the 1940's fake IWC timepieces out
    there?

    Actually not. Research of the archives in Schaffhausen show that this watch as
    is complete and fitted with a Cal.97 movement, was sold on the 11th of
    January 1947 to Gubelin
    in Lucerne. A six generation family owned business
    which has it roots in 1886, when Gubelin married Bertha Sophia Breitschmid,
    the daughter of his old watchmaking master.

    Further research shows too, that it was known at IWC as a Ref. 157 and that
    the dial is 100% original with the case books listing the fact that the dial
    did not carry the International Watch Co. logo.

    A very nice example of a Cal. 97 Probus Scafusia.

    On last very nice detail is the finishing of the case edge.Two parallel coin
    edge lines around the entire outside of the case.

  • Apprentice
    11 May 2020, 5:25 p.m.

    jut wow. what a black beauty

  • Master
    11 May 2020, 5:45 p.m.

    A stylish black beauty.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 12:18 a.m.

    Beautiful watches, and as usual, fantastic information

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 3:09 a.m.

    A couple of beautiful watches here. I really like that Gubelin - the dial and
    case are both gorgeous.