• 12 May 2020, 5:32 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 52, cal 95 Gubelin

    With Mark L. posting yesterday a wonderful Gubelin cal 97, I thought it was
    the right day today to follow with my cal 95 Gubelin.

    A very special watch, so far only 3 are known to excist.

    And the story of my Gubelin starts already in 2017. I spotted a pocketwatch
    for sale in the US, with the name Gubelin on the dial, in a strange, a-typical
    shape for an IWC, so my attention for the watch was very low, too low in fact.

    There was another collector who stepped further in the quest to know more on
    this watch and discovered that this was indeed a proper IWC, all offical, all
    noted with details in the books, so he bought the watch.

    Big respect for Mark to have investigated the watch and secured it to his
    collection. But not only that, he had the wizards in Schaffhausen make this
    like new again.

    I was very pleased that Mark found such a rare and amazing piece, and we
    learned again something, that there were tonneau shaped watches made early
    20th century.

    Mark was told that his watch came from a special order for Gubelin, an order
    of two similar pieces, one in mixed gold, the other in white gold.

    So step closer to today, end of 2019, browsing the internet on the hunt for a
    cal 71 ( still haven't one in my collection...) I saw a watch ,with Gubelin on
    the dial, with a cal 95 inside, tonneau shape....

    I will let Mark finish the story

    Here is my Gubelin cal 95 white gold, found in an amazing condition.

    When I posted my watch and the story, we found out that there was another
    Gubelin with the tonneau shape, so we know of three. I guess, not many more
    were made.

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 5:32 p.m.

    Todays post dedicated to a very special girl - who just loves the yellow
    metal !

    The story of this watch is already published previoulsy on this forum, but as
    it's now an integral part of the story of Tonny's watch I repeat it here, with
    some additional information and images.

    The Watch

    At the end of March 2017, on a cold and rainy night I was scouring the web
    looking to see if there were any interesting IWC vintage timepieces out there,
    to add to my collection.

    Of course, searching for the term vintage and IWC turns up a myriad of
    watches, and many of those are not even IWC timepieces. So for instance a
    search would bring up many ILLINOIS WATCH COMPANY timepieces as well as
    other manufacturer 's watches. These, all to often advertised as Genuine,
    Rare, International Watch Company...
    by unscrupulous sellers trying to
    trick unaware and novice Collectors into buying their watch. Of course, these
    pieces are not of interest to me as an IWC Collector, and I generally skip
    past them with just a shortest of a glance.

    And so it was that I skimmed past this watch - listed as an IWC but clearly a
    Gubelin.

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    The audacity of the seller to list this as an IWC !

    After all, IWC does not do these things - I mean ;

    • Firstly the tournou shape of the watch (which is meant to be a pocket watch), simply is not IWC. While IWC have done a few octagonal cased pocketwatches in the past, certainly we have never see a tournou shaped one.
    • Then it 's listed as being yellow and white gold - I mean, come on everyone knows that IWC never did white gold pocket watches.
    • It 's flat - very flat!

    ...and every collector worth his salt knows that IWC heritage dictates
    relativly thick movements. We see H5, H6 movement height designators often
    found back on the IWC movements.

    And then there is this.....

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    We all know that IWC movements bear the Probus Scafusia stamp - and besides
    for the " SS & Co." stamped movements produced for Stauffer, Son & Co. in the
    UK, IWC never produced movements for other manufactures...or did they?

    So I am about to click to the next page/watch, when a thought hits me. This
    movement certainly looks like an IWC Cal. 95... even if the finish on the
    movement appears to be of a higher level than on other Cal. 95's in my
    collection.

    So I start to study the details of the movement, like serial number and
    individual bridge shapes. And then... there it is!

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    tucked away in the corner of the bridge - just two little tiny but important
    letters I.W. - missing the C, but still 2 out of three is not bad right?

    Checking the serial number, the utility lists it as "The movement is a Lep.
    calibre 95, dating from the year 1927."

    OK - now, I am beginning to slighly believe the seller. But still, I'm
    nervous. Tournou shape, white gold, and then it seems like some "rough repair"
    has been realised on the watch case. Seems like the bezel had been broken in a
    rather poor attempt to remove it from the watch and that instead of silver
    soldering it back together, had brutely used screws !

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    But maybe just maybe if I can secure it, and be able to pay via PayPal and it
    then turns out to not be genuine, and also not actualy gold, I could then
    possibly get my monies back.

    My head is screaming "Buy the Seller not the Watch" and "If it looks to good
    to be True, it's probabaly not True". Walk away - Walk away!

    But, the more I look at that movement I am convinced it's a Cal.95 and
    ubervirus is now kicking in strongly too. I want this watch..... actually no,
    I dont want it ..... I need it.

    And so it was that I entered a fairly high bid.... I simply had to secure this
    auction.

    And so it was, that later and when monitoring the bids I was able to see that
    some other folk out there also believed that it may be a genuine IWC, becuase
    there was quiet some bidding last minutes, and I needed to up my bid. But win
    it I did.

    I had the seller ship the watch to our good friend Bill Barker as he was
    heading out this way a few month later for the 2017 BBAMSGTG event, and would
    ensure safe delivery. When the watch arrived, Bill kindly took some photo's
    and confirmed those ugly screw repair. He also said, that the case back had
    fallen off the watch.

    Time passes and then we are all in Amsterdam and Bill sitting at the top end
    of the long table, asks the guys to pass the watch down to the other side
    where I am sitting. Hand over hand it goes, but then stops at Jeroen (our
    friendly IWC certified watchmaker who is also attending the event) - and
    Jeroen would not be Jeroen if he does not pull out his loupe and start to
    investigate. All to soon, he is standing next to Walter and I saying "watch
    is genuine, glass is not original, a replacement glass fitted which is far to
    thick and badly fitting (hence all that dirt on the dial), and more importanly
    that I was wrong - that the bezel is not broken but rather designed that way.

    Designed that way? How could this be? Watch this, says Jeroen...

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    ..it's a fold out stand !

    Turning the very flat pocket watch into a magnificent night table clock.

    Armed with the confirmed serial numbers, our museum curator dived into the
    archives and Dr. David Seyffer returned with the offical findings. Case and
    movement serial numbers check out and the watch was sold by IWC Schaffhuasen
    to Gubelin in August of 1928. David further confirms that the movement is
    nickel plated, and that the archives list a case of "Or Mixte" being 18K
    white and yellow gold and that there is a descripion of the fold out
    stand.
    Further it lists the height of the movement as 3mm (hence the
    flarness of this watch) and the fact that the Cal. 95 is 17 ligne in size.

    However, prior to seeing the actual watch it had not been clear as to what
    exactly that that description in the sales book actually meant and no one knew
    it was a fold out stand.

    NOW WE SIMPLY HAD TO RESTORE THIS UNIQUE TIMEPIECE BACK TO IT 'S FORMER
    GLORY

    Whilst the case was in reasonble condition, and with Jeroen very quickly
    stripping the watch down to understand what we had, we saw that the dial was
    most certainly in need of a full restoration.

    So from this sorry state...

    to this restored state of this.

    The restoration was completed by working in close co-operation with our ladies
    in Schaffhuasen, Mechtilde (Service Ops) and Elvira (heritage watch service
    dept), with inputs from David Seyffer.

    Other than a full SPA service, the restoration involved a full dial restore as
    you see above, as
    well as the custom grinding of a bespoke new and correct fitting, super thin
    mineral glass.

    In addition the watchmakers in Schaffhuasen hand made a new balance staff for
    the movement.

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    The case back engraving, is still in it's original condition.

    This piece became even more special, when Tonny located the single white gold
    version, and no sooner that he had the watch in hand it was without saying
    that a reunion of the two sibblings was needed. Another collector was
    visiting Brussels and I needed to hand over a watch to him, so a small GTG was
    arranged in Antwerp.

    and to mark this special occasion Tonny and I both wore on our wrists, the
    remake of this fantastic timepiece.

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 6:13 p.m.

    Gentlemen, I've seen Mark's 'in the metal': amazing piece! Tonny's makes me
    envious as well! Class and coincidence go hand-in-hand, and you guys deserve
    it!

    Regards, Bob

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 7:22 p.m.

    Such an amazing occurence to reunite these siblings :o)

    Now, if one of you could secure the THIRD!!

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 7:26 p.m.

    Mark F, is this a challenge of sorts?

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 7:30 p.m.

    It was a great pleaure to act as the mule and photographer for Mark's special
    PW. Here are a few pics of the hand off at the 2017 BBAMSGTG and of the PW
    when it was in my hands before the mule train ride to Amsterdam. To be
    honest, Mark asked me to see if the PW had a stand. I was reluctant to force
    it and told him I didn't think so. I was proven wrong by Jeroen.

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 7:38 p.m.

    SAVING AN EXTREMELY RARE IWC POCKET/TABLE WATCH.

    Starring : Mark Levinsohn.

    ( The author is a notorious IWC collector, world traveler and saga teller. He
    takes the reader away on his dreams about finding and restoring the rarest
    pieces ever made by the famous company. Through his friend and IWC moderator
    Tonny Berteloot, he has access to virtually all the key persons at IWC and the
    international collectors community. He is admired for his stuborn way of
    achieving his goal in bringing neglected and forgotten watches to pieces of
    glory. Currently he is discussing a small part of his collection where the IWC
    moderator and Mark show the amazed collectors, treasures from the past. The
    motto of both men is : "If you buy a vintage IWC, you get the story for free."
    Visit : www.forum.iwc.com

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    12 May 2020, 8:51 p.m.

    I was in Amsterdam when Mark showed me the watch. A great story and a superb
    restoration.

  • Master
    13 May 2020, 9:22 a.m.

    Thank you gentlemen for this amazing story. I was also lucky to see the Marks
    watch in Amsterdam. Great to see that there now are two in the hands of very
    respected collectors to be saved to posterity, with lovely stories to match as
    well.

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

  • Master
    13 May 2020, 12:49 p.m.

    Wow!!! Great story and beautiful watches.

  • Insider
    13 May 2020, 2:26 p.m.

    Great story and two beautiful and uber rare pieces in the hands of two great
    collectors. Now if one of you could only find the third......

  • Master
    13 May 2020, 3:46 p.m.

    Clem Ho, is this a challenge?

  • Insider
    13 May 2020, 4 p.m.

    Yes sir..... I believe it is.... :^p

  • Master
    13 May 2020, 4:37 p.m.

    Mark F, is this a challenge of sorts?

    No "of sorts" about it :-)

    An outright challenge........

    You know you can do it!

  • Insider
    13 May 2020, 4:48 p.m.

    You know you can do it!

    Unless our Belgian friend beats him to it... HAHA

  • Master
    14 May 2020, 1:41 a.m.

    An unbelieveable set and a fantastic set of storys. And thank you for that
    Adrian;)

  • Graduate
    18 May 2020, 6:59 a.m.

    I personally know the owner of the third piece. So if you are interested, drop
    me a mail... ;-)

  • Master
    19 May 2020, 7:44 p.m.

    One of the very best stories, very well remember when you Mark first got it in
    your hands. The restoration project was a spectacular job - 100% perfect!

    Tonny, hope to see yours in the metal in a not too distant future.

    /Anders