• 17 May 2020, 5 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 57, cal Jones pattern B

    Time for another Jones calibre in this series, today a pattern B.

    With the serial number 8367, it is made at the end of the pattern B series, I
    guess, dating could be set around 1875.

    The hunter case is made of coin silver, it has inside a stamp Warranted Coin
    Silver.

    Other watch cases from that era in silver were often in coin slver :

    Coin silver has
    a millesimal fineness of 900. The term "coin silver" was derived from the fact
    that much of it was made from melting down silver coins. It is important here
    to note that there are differences between the coin silver standard and the
    coin silver alloy, as actually used in making silver objects. The coin silver
    standard in the United States was 90% silver and 10% copper, as dictated by US
    FTC guidelines. However, in silversmithing, coins could come from
    other nations besides the United States, and thus coin silver objects could
    vary from 750 millesimal fineness (75% silver) to 900 (90% silver). Coins were
    used as a source of silver in the US until 1868, shortly after the discovery
    of the Comstock silver lodes in Nevada, which provided a significant source of silver.
    Around this time the sterling standard was adopted by the American silver
    industry

    Sterling silver is what jewelry and silverware are traditionally made from, it
    contains 92.5% silver and 7.5% copper, there for the stamp .925 you often see
    on these items.

    Coins silver is an alloy of 90% silver and 10% copper, stamped .900, most US
    silver coins were made of coin silver.

    Love the script too, one of the known different scripts used on the Jones
    dials.

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 5:05 p.m.

    Coin Metal - > Jones Type B

    The Watch

    In order to compliment Tonny's very nice Coin Metal cased Jones B movement, a
    watch from my collection which is already on the forum somewhere.

    As Tonny writes, these Coin Metal cases were not Swiss but a silver type used
    in the USA. So a Stars and Stripes tribute, to all our USA based visitors
    and
    Collectors tonight. This Coin Metal cased timepiece.

    The interesting part begins when we go to the rear inner case back.

    Why ? Simply this.... it 's unusually got not one but two holes in the dust
    cover!

    What pocket watch is this?

    Well it carries an IWC logo...which logo is exactly the same as the one on
    Tonny's dial (or are there differences?)

    And as you see, it appears the hands are the same as those on Tonny's Watch
    too.

    Well as they say in the classics... If it looks like a Duck and it walks like
    a Duck, it probably is a Duck - right? So yes, this must be a Jones movement.

    So clearly a Jones movement, yet when we compaire this watch of mine (here
    below on the left) to that of Tonny's on the right...

    We see cleary the distinctive Jones movement style - as well as the reason for
    that second hole in the rear duct cover.

    The square shank, for attatching the key to (which one puts through that
    second hole in the rear dust cover, in order to wind the watch.

    So where Tonny's Jones is wound by rotating the crown - here, the movement is
    wound by use of a special key.

    A whole industry developed around these watch winding keys, and some
    collectors too make it a point to collect these keys too.

    I dont - becuase, as you can see here below with just a sample of some of
    these keys - they can become in themselves quiet elaborate and fancy,

    For the record, these are NOT my keys. I know a fellow in Belgium who collects
    them,

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 5:40 p.m.

    Here is another Jones 'B' savonette, marked
    'Romney'

    This one has a gold case and movement number 2466. It was sold and found back
    in the US.

    However, much rarer is the next watch, again pattern 'B', again savonette and
    marked
    'Greenleaf
    Romney'. But it is a key wind, key set watch, much rarer than the 'B'
    savonette. This one has an American gold filled
    case

    This one has movement number 1229. Both watches have been restored completely.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 6:56 p.m.

    Adrian your two Jones examples are amazing. I note, that your 2nd watch is
    also KWKS - Key Wind Key Set (hence the 2nd hole in the rear dust cover).

    Beautiful duo - thanks for sharing.

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 7:42 p.m.

    My grandfather left me an Elgin PW. I have to get it from the bank to find
    the hallmarks, but I have a quick an dirty older iPhone photo on the inside
    case back. It is labeled Baystate Imperial Coin. The watch is very thick and
    often referred to as potato masher. I'll take some better photos after I
    retrive it from the bank and after the bank opens the vaults.

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 8:10 p.m.

    Bills Coin Metal cased Elgin is probably of the same time era as the IWC Jones
    watches.

  • Master
    17 May 2020, 8:22 p.m.

    Mark, the info I dug up about the Elgin Potato masher dates it at 1888.