• 26 Mar 2020, 5:35 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 6 :

    Whenever you buy a vintage watch, you do not only buy a fantastic piece of
    engineering and craftsmanship, you also buy a bit of history.

    Who bought the watch new ? Why ? A special occasion, graduation ? marriage ?
    Most of the time, it is fun speculating, but sometimes we know because the
    watch itself tells us.

    Here is my cal 34, Elgin I caliber with serial number 120 in a 18K gold case.

    The cal 34 was made from 1886 to 1887 in very limited numbers ( total
    estimated production of 130 ).

    In the archives you can read this story that there are less than 10 still to
    excist.

    forum.iwc.com/t/an-extraordinarily-rare-pocket- watch/2661/#post-207103

    The production dates come from data in the Tolke & King book. But in the post
    was stated that it could be earlier ( 1884 ).

    Since the records from that era are missing, we are not sure.

    To return to the beginning of my post, on the inner case lid, we can read the
    following text in Dutch.

    "Ereprijs door den Minister van Oorlog toegekend aan den Sergeant N.H. Van
    Roggen, leerling van den Hoofdcursus October 1895"

    So Sergeant N.H. Roggen was awarded a special price for his results at the
    academy in October 1895, a reward from the Minister of War.

    To get such a nice golden pocketwatch, it must have been a special student. He
    made it to Captain ( or higher ? ) but here is a picture of him as Captain.

  • Master
    26 Mar 2020, 5:38 p.m.

    Amongst the significant heritage of IWC Schaffhausen, remain still many an
    unresolved mystery and/or unaswered questions.

    Of course, in the quest for explanations and answers, many people have
    speculated and come up with responces to explain why/who/where to one of these
    mysteries. And so it is too (IMHO) for these rare Elgin I movements. It is
    not my place to question the answers, and indeed given the HUGE amount of
    knowledge, insight and wisdom amongst the band of brothers, those remaining
    true experts on the legacy we accept the conventions and naming as plausible.

    Why are these movement reffered to (also officially) as Elgin 1 ?

    Tonny's example is a truly magnificent of PROBUS SCAFUSIA - for example
    just look at the decorative engraving on the balance cock.

  • Master
    27 Mar 2020, 8:18 a.m.

    Hi Mark,

    For a long time t was thought that IWC had a kind of coopration with Elgin.
    Greg Steer ( cellar) investigated that among others but no relation with Elgin
    was found.One of the most plausible theories is that within the IWC factory,
    certain models produced by IWC were more or less copies from other brands. The
    best known example is the full plate pocket watches developed by F.F. Seeland.
    This was practically identical to a full plate watch launched in 1857 by the
    Waltham factory in Boston. Within IWC, the full plate 'Seeland' calibre (
    wrong name) was called the 'Boston' calibre. Recently Alan Myers has published
    an article in Horological Journal that IWC was not the only one to copy Boston
    calibre. Nearly all Swiss manufacturers decided to produce the same watches. A
    tsunami of cheap full plate watches overwhelmed the watch market. This lasted
    for about 25 years and after that it was over, also for IWC. They adopted the
    three quarter plate as the favorite calibre and history proofs that they were
    right.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

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    Thread title has been changed from VIRTUAL POCKET WATCH MUSEUM DAY 6.

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 6:22 p.m.

    The Elgin I. Quality movements are mor or less the start of a new movement
    family of IWC. The possibility to have the mouvement "a bascule", a time
    setting system inveted by LeCoultre, or with visible winding wheels "a vue" is
    a funny thing. In the cost calculation, the a bascule where cheaper. But
    finally not a success. Only few hundreds may have been built. So the "a
    bascule" are extreemly rare. COngratulation for this nice piece.

    Here I add a picture with all 4 versions of the Elgin I. Qual movement . Top
    row c.32 and c.33 bottom row c.34 and c.35 (both in a nickle plate version)

    Kindest regards

    watch77