• 31 May 2020, 5:20 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 71, ref 5250 , 11h edition

    It is a Sunday and I always try to show an extra special one on Sunday, so for
    today the wonderful ref 5250 pocketwatch with moonphase.

    When I call it the 11h edition, I know that a few members on the forum will
    say " AHA".

    It is the famous double seven dial. Someone who designed the dial made an
    error
    and two times 7 o'clock is written in Roman numerals.

    Can happen, humans make errors, but the funny thing is that nobody saw it for
    quite some time, pictures with the double seven made it to the catalogues and
    the dealer handbook. I don't know how many double sevens are around, I guess
    not a lot since the 5250 was a slow seller and at a certain moment, the error
    was noticed and new dials were made.

    As the 5250 was a slow seller, but had a fantastic movement inside, a elegant,
    thin cal 95 with moonphase and shock resistance, the cal 9521, a few people at
    IWC were thinking what to do with that movement. And so Hanno Burtscher (
    designer of the Da Vinci perpetual ) and Kurt Klaus were sitting together in a
    club and on a napking, they came up with the idea for a wristwatch with the
    same movement, turned a quarter, and so the ref 5252, the big Portofino with
    moonphase ( Das Speigelei ) was born.

    It is always interesting to look at the prices back then and to compare the
    price of pocketwatches with wristwatches, it can give an idea why these were
    slow sellers.

    The ref 5250 came in gold and silvre cases. The price in 1980 was 6600 DM for
    the gold 5250 and 4980 M for the silver case.

    To compare, the ref 1832, the Jumbo Ingenieur had a list price of 2950 DM.

    The moonphase is made with Adventurine, which gives a sparkling effect, very
    difficult to capture on pcture, so I made a few pictures and a small movie.

    the moonphase

    The 5250 came with two kind of hands

  • Master
    31 May 2020, 5:21 p.m.

    Speechless - I'm sure that many of you are like me absolutely bowled over here
    by Tonny posting DOUBLE MOONS !

    Let me start out today, by saying I do not have a moon phase pocket watch in
    my collection. I've often been asked why not, and the answer is to be found
    back I guess in my collecting style. Very early on when I first started
    collecting these IWC pocket watches, I very quickly ran up against these
    magnificent time pieces, both with moon phase and other complications (Tonny
    will say / post more on Pocket Watches with complications in a later post),
    and decided that it was (for me) a precuarious slope to go down! Like Tonny
    I'd find one, secure it - and then all to soon I simply knew that I'd be
    wanting another similat piece, maybe with temprature or another complication.
    And so, for the same reason that I decided to not collect military IWC pocket
    watches, I've managed time and time again to push back on the temptation.

    The Watch

    So every day for the last 70 odd days during the Covid virus crissis when
    Tonny posts his virtual museum timepieces, I've tried to post a timepiece
    complimentary to the watch or to the theme that he put up. So today I share a
    watch from
    my collection, which is as exceptional in my collection as is Tonnys' watch in
    his.

    - For a start, I 've never seen another one like itand when I aquired it
    the proevious owner said that possibly it was not a genuine IWC. Now know,
    that nothing gets my collecting genes more excited than the prospect of
    securing a watch that "does not exist" - and then being able to prove my
    thinking correct. I jumped at the chance to secure it.

    - Secondly, while Tonny's moon phase watch is one of the physically largest
    diameter pocket watches in his collection - this watch is one of the
    smallest in diameter little jewels in my collection.

    - Thirdly, it is a Cal. 64 (Savonette / Hunter movement) - yet it is cased
    in an not a double moon but DOUBLE GLASS open face pocket watch case
    .

    - And last, but certainly not least the hand engraving on the rear of the
    movement simply blows me away
    !

    The blue steel hands against the classic enamel dial and the yellow gold case
    bezel are simply truly handsome.

    And then there is this !!!

    a ladies pocket watch with a glass case back to show off the hand engraving on
    the Calibre 64.

    absolutely how some small chequering, a set of railway line engraving and
    pure syne wave scribble along the side of the movement can catch the eye like
    this.

    And to allow you to have an idea of just how small this little jewel is, here
    is a picture of it against a double moon phase IWC piece in my collection
    which too, has blue steel hands.

    * /// ***

    For some years now time and time again I've had collectors and experts tell
    me, that it's a humble Cal. 64 that got recased and I left it at that simply
    enjoying it for what it is. Then some 18 months ago, on a visit to
    Schaffhausen and visiting the other archives which are also located close to
    the the river bank there, I mentioned this little jewel to the man behind the
    desk.

    As is his habit, he stood up and went into the rear of the building (deep into
    his archives where not even Brian gets to go.....) and comes back with an old
    IWC Catalog. A very (read VERY) old catalog. And like the true expert he is,
    he pages directly to a specific page in that catalog and shows me my
    watch!!!

    Depicted complete with the glass case back and engraving on the movement. I
    was so taken aback, that I failed miserably in my attempt to secure that
    catalog. Fortunately, Nelson, Terry, Ralph and Antonia were with me to witness
    my joy and at least two of them have committed to go back with me to secure
    that catalog !

  • Master
    31 May 2020, 8:51 p.m.

    Tonny, thanks for posting the different models of ref. 5251.

    But there were also different case backs. This could be full polished metal or
    a see through glass case back.( I could not find the glass one on my
    computer)Regards,

    Adrian,

    (lwaysiwc).

  • Master
    31 May 2020, 9:04 p.m.

  • Master
    1 Jun 2020, 4:44 a.m.

    Two stunning watches, so different yet both beautiful!

    Well done Gentlemen :o)

  • Master
    4 Jun 2020, 1:02 p.m.

    Just wow! One of my grail PW's, thanks again gentlemen!

  • Master
    5 Jun 2020, 4:43 p.m.

    Apologies. A bit late to this thread and the double VII dial. I also bought
    one a few years back at auction. Before I bid, I checked the catalogue for
    the year and, as Tonny has shown above, the double VII also got through the
    marketing and publishing departments without the error being spotted.
    Fortunately, the error had been spotted by the time the 5251 went into
    production.

  • Master
    5 Jun 2020, 4:48 p.m.

    The 5251

  • Master
    5 Jun 2020, 4:51 p.m.

    Amazing Ralph.

    I know that you are a fan of 'modern' IWC pw's from the revival period.

    I hope you will post some of yours as the opportunity appears.

    It would be a shame if they don't come in the flash light.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).