• 6 Jun 2020, 5:28 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 77, cal 52, 1898

    Today back to a classic one in the collection, a cal 52.

    This one is from 1898, so an early one, with a serial number below 200.000.
    The cal 52 can be found with numbers from 32401 to 1.015.000.

    Around 280.000 were made.

    The price for a silver cal 52 Lepine in 1898 was 33 Frs. If you wanted a gold
    crown, it was an extra of 1.50 Frs.

    But if you wanted a Reglage Special, with a bulletin d'observation ( with a 15
    days period of observation ) it had an extra cost of 20 Frs.

    a very worn gold crown

  • Master
    6 Jun 2020, 5:30 p.m.

    Cal. 52 - the Workhorse

    When considering which watch to share with yourselves today to compliment
    Tonny's C.52 I at first though that this one was going to be an easy choice
    for me. This, as the C.52 was indeed the Calibre that set the mark for IWC in
    terms of volume production and reliability and for that reason, the majority
    of IWC pocket watches that come up for sale are listed as Calibre 52's.

    It is also then the reasond why most collectors would have more than one Cal.
    52 based pocket watch in their collection. Same here - and this is then when
    the small dilemma started here today. Should I show my grandest Cal.52 ? Or
    maybe a Cal.52 with a nice story / rich legacy assosiated with it? Then of
    course, I realised that over the last 75 plus days I have already shown some
    of those C.52 based pieces in my collections - for example the Schutzenuhr's
    had by and large Caibre 52 movements.

    The Watch

    Then, I decided to rather play into Tonny's theme of "an early Cal. 52".

    This watch turned up for sale (advertised with this picture) and I was
    intrigued.

    Despite the really interesting swirl to the digits 2, 3 and 5 on the dial
    which appealed to me, somehow I would have expected the watch which has a low
    serial number to have had Roman numericals on the dial.

    The case back, of this 0.800 German silver case, is atypical of the period and
    carries besides the guiloche patterning, a cartouche in the centre for
    engraving. It was never engraved - I'm considering to add the letters A B to
    it - as a tribute to our modertator.

    When one looks towards the movement, it's certainly one of the earlier Cal.
    52's (what's in a name - it maybe labelled diffferfently after this by Adrian
    or one of our other experts).

    Note the delicate engraving on the balance cock too.

    A side by side comparison with Tonnys movement (here below) - My movement is
    on the right hand side.

    But this is where you really need to take the time to find the differences
    in these two movements
    (other than the engraving on the balance cock)

    The serial number of this watch dates it to be +/- 120,000 units earlier than
    Tonnys and to the year 1892.

    To help our experts I will quote the serial number of this movement as #
    66479.

    What say thee wise men ? Calling on Adrian, Thomas , Ralph....

  • Master
    6 Jun 2020, 5:47 p.m.

    Tonny, my guess is that the case is much younger, as it was made for you :
    'A.B' (Anthony Berteloot).

    So I would estimate it between 35-40 years old !

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • 6 Jun 2020, 5:49 p.m.

    Nice compliment ;)

  • Connoisseur
    6 Jun 2020, 6:38 p.m.

    Well, this again is a watch originally sold to the Italian railroad company
    Strade Ferrate del Mediterranea, which served as watch of the chief or train,
    which after decommissioning (therefore the worn crown) was converted in to a
    private one. The case No. should be in the range from 206,751 to 207.050.

    Hopefully it had a decent second life and for sure enjoys know a relaxed life
    as part of Tonny's collection.

    Regards

    Th. Koenig

  • Master
    6 Jun 2020, 7:04 p.m.

    This is absolutely stunning information Thomas. So here we see again a very
    nicely decorated pocket watch from Tonny's collection which is into it's
    second life and has had cosmetic work done to it to make it more appealing and
    giving it a second use outside of the railways.

    Very interesting to know - and makes somehow my Italian Railway pocket watches
    a little bit more interesting to have in my collection.

  • 6 Jun 2020, 7:07 p.m.

    Indeed Thomas,case number is 20698X.

    I was already thinking in that direction when I compared it with my RM and the
    other cal 52.

    So that makes that I have 3 RM delivered watches in the collection, one stayed
    original, others were altered in "civilian" pocketwatches.

    Great info, thank you.

  • Master
    6 Jun 2020, 11:27 p.m.

    I'm just loving this series...another informative post!

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 9:09 a.m.

    Mark, your question can be answered in a scientic or in a practical way.

    I would suggest the latter as not every collector wants to make a study of the
    many variable cal. 52/53 and fore runners

    Many use the ledger from the book of Toelke and King or on line 'date your
    IWC' in which at least the production year is mentioned correctly.

    OK, you see the watch for the frst time :

    1. It is a Lepine ( open face).

    2. The movement shows the MOST SIGNIFICANT part of the design : the balance
    wheel is visible in a semi-circular cut out of the three quarter plate and NOT
    the other possibility : the smoothly curved 'S' shape to be seen in your
    images as well

    3. That said, the next thing is to look how the crown wheel and the rachet
    wheels are fixed. That are the 2 biggest wheels in steel that you see. Both
    have been fixed with one big screw.

    4. Now the movement number : it is from 1891 In the ledger is found ; c.
    'IWC' tr. (cal.52). In the new classification this is wrong. It is certainly
    NOT cal. 52 but belongs to the fore runners and c.'IWC'tr. is the OLD name.
    Better is to call it according to the new classification : cal. 49.

    There are more small details in the movement but they are not easy to see,
    certainly when a whatch is offered on line and you cannot study it by a loupe.

    Collectors might be wondered : why a new classification? Well, IWC made the
    confusion itself. They have used over time different names and types for their
    cal. 52/53 and fore runners and only in 1923 they published a new
    classification. But the 1923 classification did not correct all the different
    names for the very early watches. It is the study and work of Ralph Ehrismann
    to make an end to the confusion.

    Adrian,

    (alwausiwc).

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 9:38 a.m.

    Adrian Good morning,

    Thank you for picking up on my post (as I knew you would). I had this down in
    my records as a Cal. IWC and of course knew it's no C.52.

    However, whilst I made that determination on the basis of the main plate
    balance wheel cutout being the hard half round I was loath to classify as a
    Cal. 49.

    Look at the change of position of the round spring recess for the actual
    ratchet mechanism on the large rachet wheel. On the Cal. 52 below left, it
    sits above the actual ratchet lever.

    In my movement on the right, that round spring recess slot is sitting not
    above but around the ratchet itself.

    Image.jpeg

    Is that typical for a Cal. 49 ?

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 12:40 p.m.

    Mark, it is one of the technical differences. Another is the location of the
    case screws and the way the escape wheel is fixed. In your older cal. 49 model
    it is fheld by an asymmetric cock, in Tonny's cal. 52 it is fixed on a
    symmetric bridge.

    It is a pitty that we just can study what IWC changed over time but not why
    they did it. It was a mixture of improving quality, easier production, costs
    and of course fashion. The younger the cal.52/53, the slimmer they become.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 12:45 p.m.

    Sorry, I made a mistake. The fixing of the escape wheel is the same : a short
    cock. I meant the fixing of the pallet fork or lever.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 2:01 p.m.

    A special cal.52

  • Master
    7 Jun 2020, 2:56 p.m.

    Very special.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).