• 28 Mar 2020, 11:19 a.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 8 :

    From a small pocketwatch yesterday, to one of the bigger ones in the
    collection. It is weekend, so a more special one.

    The one today is a more recent pocketwatch, it was sold June 24th 1982 in
    Schaffhausen.

    It is one of the 49 ref 5409 in silver that were made, so pretty rare. The
    5409 came also in a gold case.
    The case is not that special, a big ( 55 mm ), heavy silver case with a
    special pusher mechanism : push once and the front cover opens to show a
    classic dial, push another time and the back cover reveals the true beauty of
    the watch ; a decorated cal 9820.

    I bought it with box and papers and a heavy silver chain from IWC. IWC didn't
    make these , the chains were made for IWC and came with a nice IWC tag in
    silver.

    These cailbers were hand engraved by true artists IMO, you can keep looking at
    these, quite hypnotizing.

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 11:21 a.m.

    ONE SHOULD NEVER JUDGE A BOOK BY IT 'S COVER

    ...and indeeed Tonny, no finer proof of this saying can be found than this
    astounding pocketwatch. The case is so ordinary and plain, that one would
    think it houses a simple Calibre 53 (the Savontte version of IWC Cal. 52
    Lepine workhorse), yet it rocks with the fully hand engraved Cal.9820

    You further write " these cailbers were hand engraved by true artist
    IMO, you can keep looking at these, quite hypnotizing. "

    Sadly, this art of Hand Engraving now exists still only in a very small group
    of skilled artisans. Schaffhuasen still maintains this skill.

    A BOOKS COVER IS NEVER A GUARANTEE OF WHAT LIES WITHIN

    To emphasise and show further this wonderful art of Haute Horologe ( Probus
    Scafusia )
    I share with you here today an example of a watch in my Collection
    that is the exact opposite of Tonny 's magnificent Ref.5409.

    This watch, is a rather rare Half Hunter - meaning a Savontte timepiece where
    the watch front protection cover has a window in it through which one can
    still see the time without needing to push the crown button to open the front
    cover cvompletely. The timepice, a one of one was prodcuced on special order
    and sold to the Austrian retailer called Greiner in Graz on the 20th of July
    1904. The archive records further indicate that the dial bears the marking
    "UHRENFABRIK VON J. RAUSCHENBACH". However. once you have got over the amazing
    and intricate beauty of the hand engraved case work, take another look at the
    abnomality on the dial. Who sees anything parculiar there?

    The Watch

    A close up of the engraving detail

    The Dial

    Anyone spot the mistake?

    The back of the Watch

    And why the cover never gives guaraties of what lies within

    A humble Plain Jane zero decoration Cal. 53

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 1:07 p.m.

    Ah 5409 => fun to play with

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 5:49 p.m.

    Beautiful watches Tonny, Mark and Heiko! lovely photography also.

    In the case of Mark's watch......Where was it made exactly?

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:19 p.m.

    The records reflect that the watch left schaffhausen complete with that case.
    In those years there was still an in house engraving department.

    custom engraving is still offered by Schaffhausen today, but it's all machine
    done.

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:20 p.m.

    Nobody want to have a shot at what's wrong on the dial ?

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:21 p.m.

    Some truly exquisite pieces here, gents, just amazing.

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:28 p.m.

    Even Ben can't see what's wrong with that enamel dial?

  • 28 Mar 2020, 7:35 p.m.

    I believe Mark F made a suggestion buy asking where it was made . In
    Scha.....?

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:43 p.m.

    Mark L. only U would notice the "U".

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 7:45 p.m.

    Mr. Barker, not even quality control in Schaffhausen saw that !

    Well spotted young man.

  • Master
    28 Mar 2020, 9:52 p.m.

    "Even Ben can't see what's wrong with that enamel dial?"

    Yes, and my apologies Mark. I did notice the extra "U" in Scaffhausen but was
    so distracted by the absolute magnificence of that case that I forgot to
    respond!

  • Master
    29 Mar 2020, 2:18 a.m.

    Exactly Tonny....

    Mark, my question "Where was your watch made exactly?"

    Is a hint at what is wrong with the dial ;•)

  • Master
    29 Mar 2020, 2:23 a.m.

    Hook line and sinker! You got me!

  • Master
    29 Mar 2020, 12:47 p.m.

    Tonny B. posts an unremarkable case with a beautifully decorated movement
    while Mark L. does it the way around.

    However, IWC produced also watches which had both : splendid case and hand
    engraved movement.

    Any idea which watch this
    is?The used
    engravement has been used on this pocket watch model only.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • 29 Mar 2020, 12:54 p.m.

    The engravement gives away what is on the dial ( hint ) I was fortunate to
    hold
    this watch in my hands to admire it.

  • Master
    29 Mar 2020, 2:50 p.m.

    There are some beautifully finished movements. Adrian, perhaps you can
    explain the significance of 69?

  • Master
    29 Mar 2020, 6:48 p.m.

    Well Ralph,

    I had to look 3 times before I saw a kind of '69' engravement, but I am not
    sure the artist meant to engrave a number
    here.I talked
    to the owner of this watch and suggested that I would report some facts on
    this unique watch. It is ref. 5310 and belongs to the series of modern pocket
    watches that were launched by IWC now 50 years ago. Collectors know it as the
    'Zodiac'. The famous pocket watch connaisseur and author Reinhard Meis
    persuaded IWC ceo Gunther Blumlein to embark on a Zodiac project. Zodiac
    timepieces are usually built in turret clocks and it is very difficult to
    construct it in a much smaller pocket watch. The sun hand is moving over the
    dial, making one revolution in 365 days. This means 0,980 degrees or 0,392 mm.
    per day. As there are leap years, the watch is slightly inaccurate, as each
    year exactly 359, 890 degrees are completed. Therefore IWC advices to let
    correct the watch every 2140 years by a watchmaker . The Zodiac sign shown has
    to be shifted back one position. To be on time I would advice to make this
    appointment at IWC after 2139 years of use.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    30 Mar 2020, 11:47 a.m.

    As a good friend of mine always says ..." I'm always amazed to get to know,
    what I didn't know"!

    Amazing information here that I DID NOT KNOW about this magnificent timepiece.

    scabus profusia

  • Master
    30 Mar 2020, 2:53 p.m.

    A slightly
    better view on the watch. As far as I know the case is unique as well. It has
    12 edges and 12 vertiges : a regular dodecagon. Imagine that the sun hand
    (here at 11 o'clock) turns around once per year and that it moves
    continuously. The advance of the sun hand cannot be seen by the naked eye.To
    get an idea about its precision : if the sun hand would move one thousands of
    a mm more per 24 hours, the watch will be inaccurate by 0,365 degrees per
    year, which of course was not acceptable by IWC.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

    . .

  • Master
    30 Mar 2020, 3:11 p.m.

    What an incredibly gorgeous and complex watch this is.