• 12 Jun 2020, 5:55 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 83, cal 29

    After the rare cal 28 yesterday, today one that is even more difficult to
    find, the cal 29.

    I know of a few collectors that have a cal 29, but only the movement, I was
    offered some time ago a cal 29 but with a non IWC case in poor condition, so I
    was super happy when I discovered this cal 29 in a nice silver case.

    The cal 29 is the savonette sister of the cal 28 lepine.

    As these pocketwatches were made in the very early years of the IWC history,
    there is still a lot to find out, but records are only available from 1885 on.

    So when digging up some info on these calibers, I found a few posts here from
    the late Frits Wagener ( earlyiwc ) and by Ralph Ehrismann and both were
    saying : "They have numbers 10x'xxx for c.28 and 11x'xxx for c.29.".

    And so far I found cal 28's or saw cal 29's, this is correct. (I have four cal
    28 in my collection and all are in that range ).

    But for this cal 29, it is not correct. So please help , can the experts on
    this era of IWC help me out. Was there an other numbering ? Are there also cal
    28's around with serial numbers not in the 100.xxx ?

    Here is my cal 29, with serial 60620.

    Look also to the nice IWC stamp on the inside of the cover.

    And with my cal 28

  • Master
    12 Jun 2020, 5:56 p.m.

    Never seen anything like it ! And as Alan writes below it really is (as yet)
    and unexplained serial number assosiated with what is definately a very nice
    IWC Cal. 29.

    I would highly suggest that those of you reading this post of Tonny's today,
    really take the time to read his and the responces below from both Alan as
    well as Adrian. It's facinating stuff - to get to know what we do not know.

    The Watch

    I dont want to distract from Tonny's puzzle today - so will keep it really
    simple today. The watch (or should I say watches? ) I share today, originally
    also baffeled me - but the explanation was not far off. Or so I thought - just
    do what the good doctor says to do. Read the Article !

    Some of you shall recall the CaL. 52 Half Hunter I posted a couple of weeks
    ago, which Adrian then pointed out, is actually not a C.53 but rather a Cal.
    49.

    That was this watch.

    And one has to admit it is as silver cased IWC pocket watches go - quite a
    handsome timepiece.

    Well then, how about this same sized half hunter then, seen here on the bottom
    in the picture below.

    This watch turned up for sale recently, and again one has to ponder the
    absolute magnificance of the watch. For example, look at the detail of the
    niello inlay on the dial on the front cover.

    Where my original watch has the IWC logo on the dial, this one has none.

    Note, the yellow color of the dial - which is actually not yellow at all but
    rather brilliant white enamel. The yellow shade is caused by ageing and
    discoloration of the acrylic lens on the watch. Jeroen will need to replace
    this with mineral crystal glass as soon as possible.

    Now, know the watch on top is 3 years older than this non branded half hunter
    - dating from 1893, when on the 21st of August of that year it was soldf to
    Mr. Diedesheim of La Chaux-des-Fonds. Whereas, the watch at the bottom dates
    from 1897. What a difference 3 years of ongoing development in Schaffhausen
    makes! As they strived for Probus Scafusia.

    Can you spot the differences in the two movements?

    Now, of course both are Savonette movements. And as advised by the good man in
    Belgium, I read and re-read the article (all pages 399 through to 403) and am
    now reasonbly familiar with this business of Winding Wheels Visible, 1 screw
    each and in fact can even now thanks to that brilliant article, fathom out for
    myself that that watch on the left is a so called "Semi-circular" shape 3/4
    plate (where the one on the right above, is a "Curved, 'S' shape " 3/4 plate
    (see.... I'm learning).

    But, I am afraid to say I stil need to have Adrian come in and solve this
    riddle for me please....'cause I do find back, the visible 1 screw on the
    winding wheels
    and I see the semi circle cutout (here in green below) but pray kind Sir do
    tell ... why does this 3/4 plate have a hard straight edge along the side of
    the balance cock [below in the red box] - unlike any of the movements in the
    article, and where the books say this serial number is a type Cal. 52/53/IWC

    But to me it 's reminicent of a Cal. 50. Is this then a Sav. C 50A and are
    the C.50 then the only movement to have that hard parallel gap along the
    balance cock?

    Oh dear, I so fear that I am going to have to host a tea party for you Adrian
    when this covid crisis is over, serve up some strong coffee and have thee re-
    evaluate my entire C.52/C.53 collection and reclassifying it correctly.

  • Connoisseur
    12 Jun 2020, 7:14 p.m.

    Tonny, this is bizarre. The numbers 60001 to at least 61160 are Seeland
    numbers used on the calibres 21/23. As you correctly say, the calibre 29
    started at 110001. So the number 60620 should have been used on a Seeland
    movement before the cal. 29 was manufactured. Your watch is a normal cal. 29
    in every respect apart from the serial number. The IWC stamp on the case dates
    from 1880 and is found on other examples of the calibre 29. It is probable
    that the calibres 28/29 were designed during the Seeland period but not put
    into serial production until the Pfister-Droz period but this does not explain
    the cal 23 number on a calibre 29.

    This will need some thought but for the moment I cannot think of a rational
    explanation.

    (NB. In our forthcoming book the numbering of Seeland calibres will change but
    I am using the existing numbering here)

    Alan

    Attached are 110503 (cal 29) and 60389 (cal
    23)

  • Master
    12 Jun 2020, 7:33 p.m.

    Curiouser and Curiouser! What a tantalizing puzzle...........

  • Master
    12 Jun 2020, 7:45 p.m.

    Alan Myers post reminds me of what happened with the Jones calibre 'C'.

    For a long time it was thought that all Jones calibres had been made in one
    run from 500 until about 26500.

    Later it became clear that F.F. Seeland has made a second run of two batches
    with numbers 76.XXX and 79.XXX..

    As far as I know only one watch from the second run is known today.

    But one watch was found with serial number 37.264. For this aberrant movement
    number no explanation could be found in the sales records.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).