• 13 Jun 2020, 3:22 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 84, Elgin I, cal 32, nr 727

    Next one I wanted to shown from my collection, is again one from the 1880's,
    an Elgin I, cal 32 with the very early number 727. I showed before the cal 32
    with numbers 305 and 306 and the one with number 1237. I once read someone
    stated that only 230 cal 32's were made. Having 5 myself in the collection I
    too believe there were a lot more made. But still a rare find on the market.
    If you see one, grab it.

    This pocketwatch is in amazing condition, loevely dial, a nice 14K case with
    even decoration on the dust cover.

    It also has the IWC stamp as some of my cal 28 and cal 29's. dating it around
    1880.

  • Master
    13 Jun 2020, 3:27 p.m.

    For the last couple of days I have been threatening to show a niello cased
    Cal. 57 pocket watch, which has been stripped of it's niello inlay - but each
    time, got side-tracked by Tonny's post. Be it the actual watch he posted, or
    the title of his post.

    Today, I am just going to post this no frills, stripped niello Cal. 57 in all
    it's glory.

    Nothing to do with any riddle as to what movement it is - or even not a scarce
    timepiece. The Cal. 57 whilst not as long lived as the C.52 movement, was
    produced over many years.

    The Watch

    Is housed in a 0.900 German Silver case caring the Probus Scafusia logo -
    however, in contrast to all other IWC (by standard) pocket watches, where the
    watch (case) serial number is found on BOTH the outer and inner lids, the
    outer case lid (seen here below ) whilst hallmarked and carrying the Probus
    Scafusia logo, does not bear the watch serial number!

    I was finally with help of a zoom lens able to capture and make out the three
    small numbers stamped into the lip of the rear case back.

    At first this puzzeled me. After all it was far to short a number to be a
    watch serial number, as well as that entire lip is 1.55mm in width so why put
    a 3 digit number there?

    The numbers read: # 836 - and then I realised that as you can see here
    below, these are the last 3 digits of the case/watch serial number!

    When trying to understand why these numbers were stamped there, I consulted
    with the craftsman who is my go to casemaker for repairs.

    He explained, that in this case, the rear case lid (which is hinged - so when
    made originally is a loose/seperate piece) was hand made to fit that
    particular case number, 899836 and once it was finished/fitted properly, the
    silversmith who completed the job, would stamp the last 3 digits of the
    matching case for that rear lid on it. This, so that when the seperate
    components came back from the external supplier who completed the niello work
    / inlay, they could assemble the matching case lid to the correct fitting case
    without the need to have to find which case it belonged to by trial and error
    fitting.

    I guess, it was some sort of fall back / re-use situation, and if the rear lid
    would buckle of resize during the niello process (which is as Adrian
    previoulsy explained too) a heat based process, then it would be very easy to
    remove those lightly stamped three letters, and hand rework the case back to
    fit another case - whereas, if they stamped the entire serial number in the
    lid, it would not be re-usable and they would have to smelt it down again.

    What is intriguing to me is that whilst when looking at the detail of the case
    work, one can clearly see that in some places (like just under the actual
    crown on the crown neck) there is a clear and still intact niello inlay. See
    the solid semi circular stipe of niello here below).

    But, where there seems to be no niello inlay left on the engraved deeper
    sections of the case - in an exact opposite manner than to traditional inlay,
    there seems to be traces of niello onj the upper (higher) surfaces of the
    case.

    I have not seen this before. This phenomena (wow that's a big word for me! )
    carries through to the case back....

    where again, only the higher lying areas of the case seem to be "blackened".
    The gold cartouche for engraving remains blank (albeit with scratches).

    This is also the case for the very nice "penny edge" finishing on the side of
    the case.Only blackend on the high points.

    One can only wonder as to how this case looked like originally - in some form
    of black on silver. Was it in fact originally niello or some other finish?
    Possibly, a later attempt by someone to redo the case finish? I have no idea,
    but all in all even in it's current condition with that case work as is, it is
    a very nice pocket watch with a Cal. 57 movement.

    Later once I was told about those three case number stamps, I looked again -
    and indeed we find it as well, on the inside of the actual case too ; just to
    the right of the hinge!

    The Cal. 57 is in fair condition and as can be seen here below (serial number
    removed to protect the innocent), is yet to be fully serviced and restored.

    This lovely watch is patiently awaiting that day - which judging by the lack
    of any service marks whatsoever on the watch, has probably been the case since
    1929 when she left the manufatury in Schaffhausen,

  • Master
    13 Jun 2020, 6:08 p.m.

    Mark, I am not aware of a technique in which the niello substance is
    permanently applied on the elevated parts of the watch case and not in the
    grooves.However, when the paste is still warm and applied, it is everywhere in
    the lower and on the elevated parts. After cooling, the case is grinded so
    that the elevated parts show the bare silver metal. Then the last step is done
    : polishing the whole case, including the niello which on turn becomes
    shining. The hardened niello is more elastic than for instance enamel, which
    is melted glass powder without elasticity.

    There is another technique called champleve. It has been used for watch cases
    as wel. But also here the material in different colours is sticking to the
    lower parts and not on the elevated surface. Is the black stuff on your watch
    case not just dirt or oxidised silver?

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • Master
    13 Jun 2020, 7:16 p.m.

    Adrian, indeed my understanding is as yours.

    It's not oxidation/ patina on the high areas, of that I'm sure. This, as I've
    tried to lightly polish it off (both with cloth as well as chemical silver
    polish) and it stays dark.

    I will bread to get it under the electron microscope at the TUE but our
    university's are still closed here. Only that way, I can be certain. Other
    than on the crown neck I can't find any inlay anywhere else.