• 21 Jun 2020, 8:37 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 92, Pallweber 1885.

    Today, start of the final week of this virtual pocketwatch museum. The average
    age of the watches this week is +100 year. In fact, the youngest dates from
    1929.

    To start, this early Pallweber, with serial number 75XX, that was sold to
    Erbau in Paris on 30/05/1885.

    It was sold movement only. This was not uncommon at that time.The dealer had
    to cased it himself, sometimes on demand of the customer, in a gold or a
    silver case.

    This one has a silver case in warranted 800 silver ( see my post on the Jones
    with a case in coin silver ).

    The stamp inside is a little turkey.

    The dial is in French,, Heures , Minutes.

    I showed earlier dials in English and in Dutch.

    It is always a pleasure to wind a Pallweber and hearing every minute a little
    click.

  • Master
    21 Jun 2020, 8:37 p.m.

    I see my Pallweber from last night gave Tonny the idea to post during this
    last week, the last of his Pallweber digital timespieces.

    So, who am I to argue? (albeit that I feel that I need to have a wee little
    chat to our Moderator, to ensure that we can end the week, at least on a
    highnote and some real handsome or beautiful pocket watches.

    The Watch

    Over the last 3 months, those of you that have followed the Virtual Museum,
    have probably noticed my passion for trying to save some of these 100 plus
    year old timepieces. Often, one needs to weigh up carefully the pro's and
    con's of wether to attempt a restoration or even just service an existing
    pocket watch, based on it's intrinsic value. So it is, that within my
    collection there are some watches (I cannot tell a lie - not too many) that
    are not on the list awaiting service or restoration, yet remain awaiting the
    right donor movement to come along so as to make the restoration feasible (you
    may also read this as : Affordable) at which time they probably would become a
    project.

    Yet at other times, I see a watch and just know it needs to be rescued. It
    simply cannot be left to be finally smelted done just for the value of a
    silver (or even gold) case, by some speculator who has no feeling or
    understanding of the Probus Scafusia seal, or the rich heritage of IWC.

    The watch I share with you tonight, to compliment Tonny's post of a Pallweber,
    is exactly such a timepiece - one, I simply could not leave to die a
    misserable death out there. Here she is as I found her.

    Clearly a Pallweber and one in distress. The state of the dial leaves nothing
    to the imagination, and to add insult to injury she is missing her bow loop.
    Her crown, remains without a bow.

    And if that was not bad enough.... just look what abuse she suffered when that
    bow was removed (probably by the look of things in a brutal grab and stash hit
    on the owner, where the watch was pulled off the poor owners chain, attached
    to his waistcoat.)

    and the other side of her neck, is even worse!

    No ways is this then, a simple " lets just replace the bow ring " and we are
    done project!

    But all the above doubt rapidly faded in importance to me, when I saw the
    movement ....with
    that distictive (and unique to IWC Pallweber) Y shaped bridge. No ways could
    we let this one go.

    Now, I know that it does not look all that great but I also know that our good
    Hungarian friend Aron would demand to see the underside of the dial.

    And I am very sure he will probably jump in here and help identify exactly
    which Pallweber type movement this is - and I also know that if needed, he can
    get this movement restored and running like clockwork again.

    But, the first thing was to weigh up the pro's and con's. Is the watch
    genuine, and did this movement leave Schaffhausen in that case.

    And indeed it did, as this watch was sold 16th January 1886 to Weil and
    Harburg in London
    .

    Now, she needs to be saved. But she has been drawn and quarted (judging by her
    condition) and then hung by the neck. Can one save a broekn neck?

    Answer: Yes we Can

    And how is this done? Well lets start by taking another Pallweber in the
    Collection and measure her up.

    And to do it right, every single aspect needs to be measured.

    And then it's off to the master case maker with the request to do the
    impossible.

    And there you have it folks, one cannot mend a broken heart - but broken
    necks, well thats a whole different story. You judge for yourself, but I
    believe our casemaker did a sterling job (including the forced patina on the
    new neck) and that once completed no one will ever know that the poor fellow
    had ever suffered a broken neck.

    The case is saved ! And unlike Tonny's guaranteed 0.800 German silver -
    apparently what we have here is 0.935 Sterling Silver.

    Oh, and as for that dial - well many moons ago, in a place far far away. on a
    dark and lonely night....

    I ran into this damsel in distress - she had lost her body and soul, only her
    face (which needs just a little T&C) was left in the gutter. I will be her
    night in shining armour, and give her back her dignity.

    So work in progress - check back soon for the next chapter!

  • Master
    21 Jun 2020, 9:02 p.m.

    Tonny, the bird stamped in the case is not a turkey but a grous. This stamp is
    definitively Swiss, so the case is a Swiss made case which does not mean an
    IWC made case. It is funny that Erbeau in Paris uses a Swiss case but of
    course this is not impossible.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • Master
    21 Jun 2020, 9:07 p.m.

    Adrian, is it the Famous Grous?

  • Master
    21 Jun 2020, 9:18 p.m.

    Of course Mark, the watch belongs to a world famous collector and therefore it
    is a famous grous.

    The owner is by the way not connected to the other famous grous. His favourite
    drink is tea on the rocks.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • Connoisseur
    22 Jun 2020, 5:16 p.m.

    As Aron at the moment is busy repairing one of my watches, I may jump in and
    give the answer regarding the calibre: Pallweber IIIA

    Carry on!

    Th. Koenig

    P.S. Erbeau normally has his cases made by other suppliers and often
    delivered cases to IWC to have the movements he bought from IWC cased in
    Schaffhausen, not in Paris.

  • 22 Jun 2020, 5:22 p.m.

    Hello Thomas, good information, so this Pallweber is in the books,where it
    says movement only sold to Erbeau, so it was possible that Erbeau bought the
    cases, had them shipped to Schaffhausen where all was assembled.

    You can learn something every day here. Thanks.

  • Connoisseur
    22 Jun 2020, 7:08 p.m.

    In case Erbeau bought the cases itself and sent them to Schaffhausen IWC
    charged Erbeau with a small fee which is mentioned in the books. Normally the
    ledgers show as well the case No. of the Non-IWC case. So you can establish
    whether the movement was mounted in Schaffhausen and even in case it was no
    IWC case what the original case No. was.

    Regards

    Th. Koenig