• 25 Jun 2020, 6:47 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 96, cal 73, 1929

    Today the last cal 73 in my collection.

    A lot of cal 73's passed here the last months, clear that I like these a lot.

    The watch today is a perfect example why I like these cal 73's from the art
    deco period so much.

    If I was a movie director, you would see Hercule Poirot wandering through
    Brussels with a gold calibre 73 on his vest. And I believe this pocketwatch
    with a 14K case from 1929 would fit perfect in the scene.

    And this ends the series of cal 73 Art Deco watches .

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 6:47 p.m.

    This post dedicated to Cousin Ray, who I do believe finds my escapades in
    saving some of these pieces, to be either totally ludicrous endeavours and/or
    absolutely amazing journeys.

    - //-

    Yesterday Tonny, Adrian and I all posted some very nice examples of Jones
    Romney based pocket watches.

    However, I also said yesterday that I would share with you today another Jones
    in my collection - but one with a twist.

    I also said, that no matter which Jones it is, that somehow all Jones pocket
    watches are to us collectors sought after timepieces, and that no matter how
    many you have in your collection, each and every one remains special to us. In
    fact, even if the collector has duplicates of a certain Jones calibre, lets
    say for example has two Jones with movements both engraved Stuyvesant, New
    York,
    that each watch no matter if one is in better condition than the other,
    will please the owner.

    It is ostensibly that emotion which led me to pursue this watch.

    The Watch

    This watch turned up on the forum here (movement only) and it was for sure a
    "for sale" post - with the the seller having recognised it
    as an IWC Jones, and advertising it as such. I knew the moderator was going to
    go in with the big knives and axe the email.

    So I quickly reahied out via email and asked for more photos and detials via
    email (before the post got deleted).

    This is what came back.

    The logo on the dial for me, was already a certain give away that this was a
    Jones based watch.

    Everything else I say here, alongside the missing bow ring and the torn case
    hinge (both of which we see in the photo above) was a clear WARNING SIGN to
    stay away.

    However, I promised you a Jones with a twist yesterday - so lets twist it
    around, and take a look at the flip side.

    Definately a Jones (of sorts) bearing the serial number #22803. However as
    you see here above the rear side of this movement bears no engraving (other
    than the serial number of the movement) and there is no International watch
    Co.
    engraving. No Stuyvesant, Craig, Romney, Bradley or Burns, Not even a
    New York!

    Although, I already had other Jones pocket watches in my collection (including
    the Romney I posted yesterday), there was something unique here other than the
    lacl of engraving, that was not the case with the other Jones timepieces in my
    Collecttion.

    Namely, this movement is nickel plated!

    Top and Bottom (dial side)

    And there it was !!!

    INT.W.Co.

    alongside a case serial number too.

    Did I say case?

    Well, what was left of a case (which was clearly not "Solid Gold" as
    advertised).

    And to add insult to injury......

    The entire case back (which sits over the dust cover you see above here) was
    missing !

    For those who know me, and my passion for saving these pieces, this was
    beginning to look like a project.

    However, not at the asking price. So I wrote the seller an email asking where
    he was based, and how would payment happen.... and this is what came back.

    And BOOM....right there in my head was Alan, and Kevin collectivly screaming
    Buy the Seller - not the Watch ! Buy the Seller - not the Watch ! .. if
    it 's sounds to good to be true - it's probably not true.

    Extreme caution advised.

    So I wrote back to the person that since there was no ability to pay using
    PayPal and guaranteed funds, that I was prepared to work on a mutual trust
    basis - I would wire 50% of the moneys (warning - warning) and on receipt of
    the deposit of half the agreed price he would send the watch. Once, I received
    the watch, I would send the balance of the funds.

    Of course, I strongly motivated a totally different price than what he was
    asking - but nevertheless, still a fair offer. It only took half and hour, and
    my offer was accepted and an email with foreign bank account details (in a
    country I've never been too - and probably will never go to with Roman as my
    chaperone).

    That quick acceptance of my offer was anothe clear : (warning - warning)! But,
    I was already sold on this rescue project.

    I transferred the money. Yup - you guessed it. No responce, no acknowledgement
    and no tracking details.

    But one should never judge a book by it's cover, and Yetey (bless the mans
    heart) was true to his word. Turns out Ukraine post was just a little slow,
    and on one fine day the parcel arrived. Yetey, for his part had also emailed
    me and appologised for lack of correspondence after we agreed the price, as he
    had taken ill and had been in hostpital.

    On receipt of the watch, I imeadiately did three things;

    1) I transfered the balance of the agreed funds to Yetey

    2) rushed over to Jeroen and had him strip the balance out the movement
    (which was still in the wreck of the case)

    3) shipped the case and stabalised movement direct to the case-maker in the
    UK

    Well, lets just say that I am forever grateful that my case maker man, enjoyed
    a challenge. Take a look..

    New collets and bow ring , were manufactured from scratch and the crown
    neck trued up where it had worn down.

    Entire new front glass bezel is manufactured , and the hinge repair is
    started (note the new hinge pin tube silver soldered in place on the left hand
    side below.

    The hinges are remade (work of art - given the size of these hinges).

    We discovered tha the inner case spring which serves to click the hunter case
    open when the crown is depressed was broken in two pieces.

    So a new Case spring was made from scratch. Old an New springs seen here next
    to each other below - with the broken off part clearly missing on the old
    spring.

    The completely missing case back is manufactured from scratch too.

    And once the casework was all done, and after considerable discussion a
    desicion was made to leave the original front cover decoration that was still
    on the case intact (so not to polish off and align with new back cover) and to
    then folowwing a nickel plating process, to 18K yellow gold plated the
    repaired case.

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 8:27 p.m.

    After the plating was completed.

    Part II - The Finished Watch

    Once the repaired case was back in hand, it was over to my watchmaker Jeroen,
    to finish the restoration of the movement and to recase it in it's original
    (now repaired) case.

    During the time we waited for case to be returend, I was scouring the globe
    for a replacement dial (genuine IWC Jones) and of course original hands too.
    This was a very challenging part of this project - but as I had promised my
    watchmaker that I would do my part, I was not going to let him down.

    I will let the pictures here, speak for themselves and the quality of both the
    case maker (note how well the case lid edges close up ) as well as the quality
    and skill set of Jeroen the watchmaker, in the restoration of the movement
    which runs to withing 3 to 4 seconds a day!

    All in all I am very happy with this project, and the watch has it's place in
    my collection.

    I only hope now that Adrian, Thomas, Alan, Ralph or David dont come back and
    tell me " It's no Jones" !

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 8:38 p.m.

    Ok, our moderator started with cal. 73 today and Mark discusses a twisted
    Jones.

    Because the thread has nearly finished and perhaps no more Jones will turn up
    : here a hunter Jones, which is not twisted and not derived from Ukraine but
    from the US. I believe a pattern 'D' has not been posted so
    far:This
    one is from the Seeland period, which means that the movement ( ebauche) has
    been made by Jones but finished by Seeland.

    It shows that the inscription 'New York' has been omitted, as Seeland
    gradually stopped the export to the US. Very nice is the nickelplate finish
    and the typical decoration of the balance cock, filled with black ink. The
    pattern 'D' was of high quality and had a Breguet overcoil, 16 jewels and
    screwed chatons. In his book Alan Myers considered it almost the same quality
    as the 'H' movement. I have no idea how many pattern 'D' have been made, but
    the fact that they are rarely seen, indicates that there were not many of
    those.

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 8:47 p.m.

    Adrian, One simply has to admire that watch of yours - all the way down to the
    nickel plating on the movement and the engraving on the balance cock (where my
    balance cock, remains naked!)

    But against that - I have some stripping (dare I call it Geneve Striping) on
    the bridge.

    Now, you have me going have to ask the experts (of which you are among) -
    exactly which model Jones my movement is?

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 8:52 p.m.

    @8541 has written:

    Adrian, One simply has to admire that watch of yours - all the
    way down to the nickel plating on the movement and the engraving on the
    balance cock (where my balance cock, remains naked!) But against that - I
    have
    some stripping (dare I call it Geneve Striping) on the bridge. Now, you
    have
    me going have to ask the experts (of which you are among) - exactly which
    model Jones my movement is?

    Well Mark, that is more difficult than you think. It is known that after
    serial number 12000, the letter on the movement often has been omitted. If
    this movement was a pattern 'H', 'E' or a key wind it would be easy. But it
    may be a stem wind 'B', 'R' or 'S'. None of these were uniformely built : the
    number of jewels might differ, the type of finger index, the lever or pallet
    fork, screwed chatons or not, etc.

    The most easy way is to ask Schaffhausen to which movement the serial number
    has been allocated. But it might well be that Alan Myers or Thomas Koenig say
    : oh, this one is a pattern 'X'. And then you know who the real smart
    collectors are!

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc)

  • 25 Jun 2020, 9:08 p.m.

    Yes Jones projects... When I have time ;)

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 9:13 p.m.

    Thank you Adrian, we shall await the others inputs.

    As for our Moderator 's unilateral call of "... And this ends the series of
    cal 73 Art Deco watches",
    please note I reserve the right to post still
    (maybe tomorrow) another C.73

  • Master
    25 Jun 2020, 11:42 p.m.

    Stunniningly beautiful watches posted today Tonny, Mark, Adrian.....Just WOW!!

    Tonny - Thank You for posting the lovely Maison de Saint Cyr and an ornate
    Parisian Art Nouveau interior.

    Mark, I am astounted by the incredible result of the restored Twisted Jones -
    this watch I must see on our next meeting :o)

  • Master
    26 Jun 2020, 2:48 p.m.

    Tonny: amazing art deco (watch and building)!
    Mark/Adrian: thanks for showing your great watches too, and Mark... you go the
    extra mile (x 1.000 LOL).

    Regards, Bob