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Virtual Pocket Watch Museum Day Whatsoever +2

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    Mr. Thomas Koenig
    Connoisseur 376 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 5:03 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 5:03 p.m.
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    Dear all

    As we are just philosophizing away on different calibres, just have a look on
    this one. Clearly marked "International Watch Co. Schaffhausen" it doesn't
    look like the standard Cal. 52 or any of its predecessors.

    Have fun!

    Th. Koenig

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 5:18 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 5:18 p.m.
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    This is absolutely mind boggeling, Thomas!

    While I wait patiently for someone to answer my (maybe absurd) question of...

    Why does this movement appear to be in Mirror Image?

    you come up with this movement, which is not even near anything we have ever
    seen. Absolutely amazing.

    I have in my collections a rare nickel plated C.53 (?) which has on it the old
    cursive script logo as well - which we dont typlically see on the main plates
    after the Seeland period.

    As can be seen, this movement still needs to be restored.

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 5:46 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 5:46 p.m.
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    Thomas, is size here important?

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    Mr. Thomas Koenig
    Connoisseur 376 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 5:49 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 5:49 p.m.
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    Mark

    The answer to your question regarding the "mirrored Cal. 52" is not simple, it
    is more than simple. Up to then we discussed in the thread you asked this
    question Cal. 52 pre 1904 and its forerunners. What you have is post 1904 Cal.
    52. From 1904 onwards all Cal. 52/53 had that "mirrored design". You can
    recognize the post-1904 versions easily by the ratchet wheels fastened by
    three off-centre screws while the pre-1904 have the single centre screw (Cal.
    52) or two screws on the ratchet wheels (Cal. 49/50). With Cal. 52 you can
    identify the respective version from outside. The post-1904 versions by the
    pin to set the time on the left side (looking on the dial), with the pre-1904
    version by the pin on the right had side

    For demonstration two Cal. 52 Qual. Extra side by side.

    Regards

    Thomas

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    Mr. Thomas Koenig
    Connoisseur 376 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 5:53 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 5:53 p.m.
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    Dear Tonny

    Size always matters!

    Thomas

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 7:23 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 7:23 p.m.
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    I knew when I asked you ,size matter, that I was on the right track.

    What a rare piece, according to the literature, only 12 made of this 24 ligne
    deck watch.

    Never saw one. Fantastic that you have one in your collection.

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    ADRIAN van der Meijden
    Master 2660 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 8:53 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 8:53 p.m.
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    Thomas,

    I think it is the 24 ligne 'Schaufenster Uhr' a kind of reference watch,
    packed in a wooden box shown in the display window of a retailer.

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

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    Mr. Thomas Koenig
    Connoisseur 376 posts
    15 Apr 2020, 11 p.m. 15 Apr 2020, 11 p.m.
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    Tonny and Adrian

    you are on the right track. It is a shop-window-chronometer. See the pic
    below.

    But it is not the 22 lig. nor the 24 lig calibre used in IWC shop-window-
    chronometres, but the 25 lig. calibre, based on the Jaeger LeCoultre Cal. 25L,
    later on renamed Calibre 160.

    IWC bought 24 pieces of the 25L movements, converted them into IWCs and sold
    14. Nobody knows what to the other 10 happened. The other two shop-window-
    chronometre calibres are even rarer. But IWC still has spares.

    The case shown needed a full restoration as nearly everything, wood and metal
    was rotten.

    Regards

    Thomas

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    Mr. Ralph Ehrismann
    Master 1423 posts
    16 Apr 2020, 4:06 p.m. 16 Apr 2020, 4:06 p.m.
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    WOW. What a nice movement. Has to be one of the range 794'601- 795'200 ....

    A great and special movement.

    Ralph

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    Mr. Tonny Berteloot
    Moderator 3567 posts
    16 Apr 2020, 6:09 p.m. 16 Apr 2020, 6:09 p.m.
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    I only saw one once, here at a watch fair in Koln, years ago

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    20 Apr 2020, 1:21 p.m. 20 Apr 2020, 1:21 p.m.
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    Another great story, lovely to see out top-top-guru's in search of answers
    themselves ;-)
    For me, as a PW novice, the fact these were produced for shop windows is
    already a great story!

    So thanks again for sharing gentlemen.

    Regards, Bob

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    20 Apr 2020, 1:29 p.m. 20 Apr 2020, 1:29 p.m.
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    What an amazing timepiece (and history story)

    thanks for sharing Thomas.

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